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    smile OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread

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    Oh gods damnit, we JUST got that cleric back!

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    Now that's just a mean Cliffhanger, Rich :D
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    Dang! That wasn’t what I expected to happen. Poor Durkon.

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    RC is just like the goblin personification of sunk cost fallacy.
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    Durkon is running up the score in the "Most Killed Member of the Order" race.

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    I have been a Redcloak fan for quite some time, but this is just foolish. Self-destructive and foolish.
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    I hope he prepared Death Ward.
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    Default Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread

    Dear Giant: what a fine strip. I did not see that final three panel reaction coming.

    Bravo and well done *applause*

    (And, well, rats. Durkon was finally getting to "Hey, we have all of this in common, we can make a deal" with his
    "Will you help us? Will you help us save the goblins?")

    Oh, and I forgot to mention. Nicely put by Redcloak in panel 5: "Gobbotopia would just be crusade bait." golf clap
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    oof! oh man i do not think anyone saw that coming!

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    I think what Durkon's saying is very reasonable, but it all sounds too much like "the Plan is redundant now that Gobbotopia exists", and Redcloak has explicit instructions from the Dark One to reject that line of reasoning. I imagine Redcloak *is* conflicted about it, because calling it quits and focusing on building up the community is something that does appeal to him, but even without explicit instructions it's not something he can do anymore because of the Right-Eye thing.

    Also, I guess Durkon's Wind Walk is going to save his ass here? He might need to make one saving throw first, though.
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    I knew there was no other way this would end but Durkon had me going there. I couldn’t not hope that maybe, maybe, deep inside there was just enough of the goblin that became Redcloak left to see the light.

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    What a great dialog this scene has been, and what a mean cliffhanger on this page haha

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    So what's the latest hot take from all the youtube commentators about how Redcloak is the good guy here?
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    Damn, just as I was expecting RC to agree, she tries to Implosion Durkon (I hope Durkon makes the Fortitude save!)

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    So what do people put the odds at that "Durkon" here is some sort of illusion / sending?

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    Well, Durkon was successful in getting Redcloak to provide a 9th-level spell slot.

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    I guess we'll get to see what Minrah has been up to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dausuul View Post
    Well, Durkon was successful in getting Redcloak to provide a 9th-level spell slot.
    Good point. That would be a fore-shadowed Deus ex-machina. If it works that would take the plot in an interesting new direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Humanist View Post
    So what's the latest hot take from all the youtube commentators about how Redcloak is the good guy here?
    Never said he was the good guy, not against the Order at least.

    That said, I'd not really be surprised if that's a way for him to have Durkon talk to his god, if only hecause of how random and sudden it was.
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    Oh no!!! I hope he makes his saving throw!
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    So, how does Implosion work, exactly? Is it « if target fails save then Target dies » or would a sufficiently high level target manage to rank the effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procyonpi View Post
    So what do people put the odds at that "Durkon" here is some sort of illusion / sending?
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    I'm not okay with this.

    On a practical, like I sat here for a a few minutes letting the brain process, note: Breaking a parley like that is very bad form, and it is going to cost him his dreams and goals next time he tries to actually parley.
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    Would really be useful if this was one of those stories where every time a character is killed/close to the bring of death and comes back again, they get stronger. Durkon would in a very strong position.

    What's that? EXP penalty? ...dang.

    (But nah, seriously, Durkon isn't dead. We can't do the resurrection joke AGAIN.)

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    I think Redcloak just had his final Kick The Dog moment.

    And it appears that Durkon will be telling Thor very quickly, "Nae, tha didn'a work."
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    Long time reader, first time answerer.

    Also, I guess Durkon's Wind Walk is going to save his ass here? He might need to make one saving throw first, though.
    Implosion specifically doesn't affect gaseous forms and incorporeal creatures.
    Wind Walk turns one into gas and has a duration of hour/level.
    Durkon and RC never touched.

    In other words, holding out hope :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Humanist View Post
    Good point. That would be a fore-shadowed Deus ex-machina. If it works that would take the plot in an interesting new direction.
    That’s not how it works, Thor can’t just yoink Redcloak’s spells as he casts them, else he would have already done so. The Giant clarified that he wants Red to take part in a specific ritual the detail of which he’ll communicate once the goblin has agreed.
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    Never said he was the good guy, not against the Order at least.

    That said, I'd not really be surprised if that's a way for him to have Durkon talk to his god, if only hecause of how random and sudden it was.
    That would be incredibly stupid. It is just what it looks like: Redclaok refusing to work with Durkon because he was always going to because of his baggage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procyonpi View Post
    So what do people put the odds at that "Durkon" here is some sort of illusion / sending?
    Fairly low, just because I don't know of any way Durkon could have done it. I'm not aware of any clerical spell that would allow the illusion to carry on extended conversation and cast spells (Durkon used stone shape to make the table). Anyway, it isn't really his style.

    There is a wizard spell, project image, which could do the job, but you can't use it on other people. Vaarsuvius can't project an image of Durkon.

    I'm betting Durkon survives this, however. He probably has a death ward effect up, and even if he doesn't, implosion grants a Fortitude save, which Durkon as a dwarf cleric is well equipped to make.

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    (Mass) Death Ward works against Implosion, right?

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