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2020-08-06, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2020-08-06, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I only got through page 12 of this thread.
I suspect that RC wants to take Durkon up on his offer. However he won't, but not because of some irrational necessity to justify his plan.
RC plan was just justified. He could abandon it now and still tell himself everything was worth the sacrifices he made.
One easier reason is that RC can't or won't trust anyone except his god.
Another reason could deal with a slight inconsistency I have noticed for sometime now.
Why would TDO, a god of revenge (to the best of my knowledge), be satisfied with goblin equality?
I believe TDO wants more and RC knows it.
I wonder if we will see the split of RC from TDO.
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2020-08-06, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."
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2020-08-06, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-08-06, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-06, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Beholder paladins? Can't work. They are unable to lay on hands since they have no hands. (Plus, Beholders are protected by copyright/trademark just as mind flayers are).
Which pantheon/deity blesses Jirix' paladins with their powers? TDO? Hmm, that could work out ... but don't paladins in 3.5e have to be LG? (I am happy to be shown that they are not so required ... but I think they need to be, right? The SRD says Paladin alignment is LG, and I am pretty sure TDO is not LG ... but maybe he is and that's a surprise that Rich will spring on us in due course ... )Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-08-06 at 12:22 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-08-06, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Would it be productive for Redcloak to cast True Resurrection on Xykon to weaken him? It appears that Xykon wouldn't need to be present for it, so he might not be aware that it was being cast until it was too late. I suppose that the same constraint of "the soul must be willing" applies as for Raise Dead.
That is, if the spell were available in Stickworld, which we've been told is not the case.
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Like the Watch in Ankh-Morpork, under Commander (etc.) Vimes?Last edited by bunsen_h; 2020-08-06 at 12:25 PM.
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2020-08-06, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
There are different types of paladin for the four corner alignments (paladin of freedom, paladin of tyranny, I forget the third). Which I guess also means there are four types of blackguard as well.
And don't think so mundane. We can now have slaad and erinyes paladins!
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2020-08-06, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
I again feel compelled to note that there isnt really any indication that True Resurrection would be required when bog-standard Resurrection would work just fine.
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2020-08-06, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
This isn't Final Fantasy. It's a waste of a big ol' pile of diamonds unless he kills the lich first. If he killed off the lich (presumably including all the Phylacteries so his soul could go to the afterlife), THEN cast it, it could bring back old-man Xykon from SoD. I'm not sure whether he'd keep his lich gained levels or not.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2020-08-06, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-08-06, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
I assumed Final Fantasy-esque Revive Kills Zombie.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2020-08-06, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-06, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
I think it's a reach back to the dungeon of Durokan and the time Durkon was left behind and Hilgya happened upon him. Back when the strips numbered in double digits.
Additionally, how suicide is presented is important -- Netflix's '13 Reasons Why' caused a measurable increase in suicide rates (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31141094/) and I don't think Rich would do something so tasteless as depicting suicide as a good idea.Conclusions and relevance: Caution must be taken in interpreting these findings;
Obviously not. Banjo's a puppet, as Roy so kindly reminded us while on board the Mechane.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-08-06 at 12:38 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-08-06, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-08-06, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
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2020-08-06, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-06, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Wasn’t there a comic where one of the gods said something like “oh! I’d like to try a world with this new fangled ‘natural selection’ I keep hearing about?”
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2020-08-06, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-06, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Good spot; that's a far better guess.
About 13 Reasons Why and the portrayal of suicide: That study's findings don't exist in a vaccuum. Statistical odditites are to be expected, and it's extremely difficult to accurately measure how much influence a particular piece of media has. Any or all of the excess suicides might have been caused by any number of other things.
However, '13 Reasons Why' differs from a generic hypothetical TV series released on Netflix at the same time. It recieved widespread media coverage, and it did not follow the guidelines of suicide prevention organisations, such as Samaritans: https://www.samaritans.org/ireland/a...lf-harm-drama/
So, when the release of '13 Reasons Why' correlates with an increase in suicide rates, it is plausible that it's partly responsible.
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2020-08-06, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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the invisible reason
If we take it as a given, that Redcloak unterstands and believes Durkon's reasoning, there is nothing to be gained by killing the dwarf. If Redcloak isn't {scrubbed} insane, that is.
Also, he seemed very pensive, so his action is not a spontaneous irrational act.
We see, a very deadly spell is cast, and we see Durkon is surprised, and a warping effect.
We don't see Redcloak actually attacking Durkon. Matter of fact, he didn't even look to Durkon.
I think, Redcloak may attack a third person, or an item, even. Maybe he destroys the comfy, if a bit unpolstered dwarven camping set to show the talk is over. Or he kills an invisible witness, to go on conspiring with a dwarf? Just who could this be? This thought made me break my quiet lurker persona, so I'd love some ideas from you, could that be the case?Last edited by Peelee; 2020-08-06 at 05:18 PM.
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2020-08-06, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-06, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: the invisible reason
Implosion does not affect objects, so it cannot be used on the table.
You need a visible target, so Redcloak cannot be targeting somebody invisible.
Implosion is not an area effect spell. It only affects the target. Durkon is being affected, therefore Durkon is the target.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-08-06 at 05:19 PM.
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2020-08-06, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: the invisible reason
It also has to be concentrated on for 4 rounds (approximately 16 seconds). I think Redcloak's plan is simply put, to tell Durkon what he wants with a "captive" audience. No arguing, no insisting it's unreasonable, nothing of the sort.
He wants approximately 15 seconds to make his case, and not listen to Durkon argue the same. And by casting Implosion, he guarantees that Durkon can't (or won't), or he'll be killed, and his friends will be in grave danger.
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2020-08-06, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
The variant paladins are SRD actually. And the forgotten one is Paladin of Slaughter.
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Not how Implosion works. It doesn't take four rounds to kill one target (seriously, for a 9th level spell that would be so bad you'd be better off using certain 5th level spells). You get to kill one creature per round for four rounds.Last edited by RatElemental; 2020-08-06 at 07:07 PM.
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2020-08-06, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Your analysis of the dramatic elements surrounding this moment seems really solid to me. Thanks for cutting through the back-and-forth arguments about minutia of whether using implosion is a good idea or whether Minrah would "backfill" Durkon in OOTS.
I find your suicide analysis a lot less compelling. This is a comic strip in which violence and murder are throw-away jokes, sometimes perpetrated by Redcloak himself. In addition, this is a fantasy world where killing yourself to talk to otherwise unreachable god with an expectation or even a plan that you might be raised from the dead is actually not outrageous. Like the murder and violence depicted in the comic, suicide for that type of purpose is far less dramatic and tragic than its real life counterpart. Finally, I think your specific comparison to 13 Reasons Why really misses the mark, partially for the reasons of drama and tragedy just mentioned and also for reasons you yourself hint at in a later post. This comic has vastly smaller reach or coverage than the show, and couldn't possibly have a similar impact. I don't understand why this one topic would suddenly be Serious Business compared to the rest of what is depicted in this comic, even at times for humor.
That said, multiple people have mentioned that Rich has strong views about suicide, so maybe that's just his thing.
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2020-08-06, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: the invisible reason
Ooh, that's a good take.
That said, Implosion seems to start triggering implosions once the person has started concentrating, can you point to me something that says it's 4 rounds? ...also a round is 6 seconds, not 4, so it would be a somewhat friendlier 24 seconds.Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2020-08-06 at 07:41 PM.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
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Re: the invisible reason
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