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Thread: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-07, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Cool, lots of wallposts to read through.
I think Valmark’s response to AV might be what I’m looking for from town!him, but I don’t quite know yet.
Slightly more thorough catch-up to come later when I’m awake enough to take things in properly.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2020-08-07, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-07, 01:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
There are about 15 hours until day ends and the lynch is passed to the judge
Vote Count (7 required for majority)
AvatarVecna: 3 (JeenLeen, Snow, Caoimhin)
Valmark: 2 (Bunny, Xihirli)
Unavenger: 1 (Valmark)
JeenLeen: 1 (rogue_alchemist)
Snowblaze: 1 (AV)
Bunny of Faith: 1 (Elenna)
No Lynch: 2 (gac3, Unavenger)
Not voting: 2 (Apgoee, JonnyPatches)Last edited by Aventine; 2020-08-07 at 01:33 AM.
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2020-08-07, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay.
- no idea what AVÂ’s planning now, but I donÂ’t think my claim would be the right one to activate it.
- my gut is telling me AV is town, but my brain is telling me I thought that in BoB... I’ll probably just take the usual approach of “hope someone kills them” - oh, wait, no flips.
- Their assessment of how screwed we are is probably accurate.
- Valmark and JeenLeen both leaning town
- I have no idea who I want to vote for
- still trying to work out what I make of the claim.
Or: SnowblazeÂ’s usual day one, except with even more paranoia and uncertainty.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2020-08-07, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Here's a fun drinking game.
1) Think of literally any way you could go about trying to use claims to accomplish anything.
2) Now that you've got a plan in mind, think "if I were a witch and thought town would use that strat, how would I take advantage of the whole 'no role confirmations' thing to screw it up".
3a) If you thought of a way for witches to screw up your claim plan, take a drink and go back to step 1.
3b) If you couldn't think of any way for witches to screw up your plan, please tell me cuz I'd love to tell you why you should've gone to 3a instead of 3b.
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2020-08-07, 04:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
For the moment I'll vote Valmark.
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Oh I'm a dumb, let's try that again. Valmark.
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2020-08-07, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Hmmm. On the one hand, AV showed up right when there was tons of pressure. I like the idea of a large ISO post, but I honestly find a lot of it hypocritical.
Pulling out pieces of the ISO thread:
Saying I'm wishy-washy
Y'all are probably used to it by now, I feel like I don't commit to anything too early. While AV calls me wishy-washy for eventually leaning town on both, AV's reads amount to 5 Null, 2 Null/slight evil, 2 Slight evil, 1 Slight Town, and 1 Town read. I'll grant you that some of the Nulls are from lack of content, but I don't read this as any less wishy-washy, with only 1 strong read of the bunch and others you could easily walk back on.
Wanting an active thread
Happy that Elenna has lots of posts, and then says town's goal is to talk a lot and analyze. Then is disappointed that the town isn't super active. Good argument normally, less so from someone's second post in the entire game. For wanting an active game, AV hasn't posted at all (at least, until there was a 4 vote wagon on her).
I mean, I definitely have thoughts but I'm not sure saying them would help town. Counterclaims could come from anywhere, for any reason. Even if/after you die there's no way to tell if that was the truth - really, the only way is if Werewolf accuses you of being the Traveler.
I'm not convinced AV is town, but I'd rather UNVOTE, Vote: Xihirli for lack of any read. I can't tell which side they're on and at least with AV there will be stuff to look at later in the game.
Vote Count (7 required for majority)
AvatarVecna: 2 (JeenLeen, Snow)
Valmark: 3 (Bunny, Xihirli, AV)
Unavenger: 1 (Valmark)
JeenLeen: 1 (rogue_alchemist)
Bunny of Faith: 1 (Elenna)
Xihirli: 1 (Caoimhin)
No Lynch: 2 (gac3, Unavenger)
Not voting: 2 (Apgoee, JonnyPatches)
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2020-08-07, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Sorry I dropped the ball, work got crazy. I'm going to be active from this point forward. Sorry again I'm gonna be catching up on all the threads from this point forward.
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No Lynch
There's not enough info to really tell at this point, plus I don't know how any of you play. Not gonna risk losing numbers this early on and hopefully someone slips up.
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2020-08-07, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Well, the wagon if off AV, and little chance of it reforming there. Also, she does seem more town after her post, though I stand by my statement that something seems a bit off about her ISOs, as if she's trying to mislead us somehow and we can't really trust her reads.
Though she does that as Town somehow, too
But some stuff Valmark has said felt a little off, and I'm curious to see how folk react to wagons, so...
UNVOTE AvatarVecna
VOTE Valmark
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2020-08-07, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Major apologies for not being around much I only got power and wifi back this morning.
If I understand it right EOD is in about 7 hours so I'll do my very best to get reads and gamestate thoughts out.
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2020-08-07, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
The silence this close to Day's end is frustrating, but I can see the witches not wanting to draw attention to themselves and the werewolf (despite likely concerns about if I'm lying or not) not wanting to reveal themselves D1. Still, was hoping something useful would come of revealing my Role.
To be explicit: I'm not saying I was lying. I'm just saying it's reasonable that the werewolf would question if I'm lying, since we talked about if people should claim (including fake counterclaims) for the express reason of lying to the werewolf. I'd like to say that more succinctly or subtly, but having trouble finding the words, and I doubt I really need to be subtle since of course the werewolf would question if a claim is true or not.
I still stand by saying I'm the Traveler.
Also, FYI now as we can't Nightchat: I'm not sure how much I'll be online Monday and/or Tuesday. I should be on evenings Sat/Sunday, and I still plan to check in Monday/Tuesday at least in the evening/night, hopefully morning, but might do a small outting with the family one or both of those days.
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2020-08-07, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
I don't have much more to comment on at this point, but this end of day is interesting compared to normal. I'm not too surprised there isn't a flurry of activity or anything. With the Judge being around to make up for the lynch, seems like everyone is content to spread out votes more than normal. We'll have to actually consider the lynch tomorrow though in case Judge dies overnight.
I may also have limited access over the weekend as my power hasn't come back and the status is "Estimated Restoration : Evaluating Outage". So. Yeah. Will try to check in when I can, more likely to be around Monday.
Vote Count (7 required for majority)
AvatarVecna: 1 (Snow)
Valmark: 4 (Bunny, Xihirli, AV, JeenLeen)
Unavenger: 1 (Valmark)
JeenLeen: 1 (rogue_alchemist)
Bunny of Faith: 1 (Elenna)
Xihirli: 1 (Caoimhin)
No Lynch: 3 (gac3, Unavenger, JonnyPatches)
Not voting: 1 (Apgoee)[/QUOTE]
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2020-08-07, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-07, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Alright we're doing this.
I normally hate this style of catchup post but eh it's the easiest on this forum's software
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2020-08-07, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the most I've seen was six pages in 48 hours? Should have been a game where MrsMcGinty partecipated. Maybe the one without power roles, unsure.
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2020-08-07, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah -- we should let the judge deliver the verdict because they can beat enchantress's protection.
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I'm accepting this as a reverse derpclear kind of. It's more commonly a townie line of thought
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Do we know the lovers are in the game?
If this assurance only comes from the opening post, then I wouldn't read into it at all because it would spew the enchantress as the spy to the wolves if lovers were said to not be in the game via absentee role cards
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Mixed feelings on this quote, but I think my earlier skimmings had me liking gac so I'll come back to him later in my catchup
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I feel bad making reads off of this kind of
But I think bunny has been in a lot of games now. And this kind of question more often comes from wolves looking to ease there way into the thread IMO
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Well by a lot of games I mean enough games to get d1.
Idk feels bad kind of to make that read but that kind of question pattern I've seen I think
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2020-08-07, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty sure it was said earlier but I'll answer it again so I know it's written.
All we know is the Enchantress had the chance to pick Lovers. They could have elected not to, especially if they were worried about pairing someone with the Wolf or basically creating Masons for the town.
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2020-08-07, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah literally no reason d1 to do anything but let the judge decide.
Harder to block dayvig as so long as they at least consider arguments >> normal vote
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Huh. Interesting and kinda bad for town if true.
Spyplay is still something I'm trying to wrap my head around a lot
And I'm very confused by the implications especially with flipless.
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2020-08-07, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Welcome!
Surprised nobody has commented on this yet - are you suggesting that we actually not lynch, as opposed to voting "no lynch" and letting the judge pick a lynch? Because that's something that gets brought up every few games and it's generally agreed to be a bad idea. The witches get a kill each night, so if we do nothing it's just more free kills that they can get while not having to worry about being lynched.
Speaking of lynches, town's main tool is discussion so we have more to look at to try and find suspicious comments. On that note, have you had a chance to read the thread yet? Obviously things are harder if you haven't seen people's playstyles before, but do you have any thoughts on the strategy discussions? Is there anyone you agree with or don't agree with? Anything that you find confusing?I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2020-08-07, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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1+ wolf voted Unavenger before this post.
I don't know why I picked this post in particular. But one in {Valmark, JeenLeen, Elenna} makes sense
And it's probably not Elenna sticking by that
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Yeah pretty much having claims early game is fine cause the werewolf would out themselves
And claims late game is yikes cause werewolf
So we just have to eliminate the claims one way or another before the late game where it matters
But fakeclaims and such are going to be done by the wolves and maybe town anyways.
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2020-08-07, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-07, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Meh snowblaze can be a townlean for this post
I can't really say why though but I feel it like that
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Yes, I think so.
Or maybe we don't and let the priest/acolyte try to lead town there without a claim which tbh could work better in some ways
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Meh. I disagree with parts. It's probably NAI for AV cause I've seen them do this as both alignments. I'd be more worried if they expressed thin townreads than the thin scumreads they did tbh
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Still think it's a good idea for it to be softed first and they hard if priest/acolyte combo can't drag the thread there alone but idk that kinda bears the risk of the werewolf figuring it out all on its own without the hard claim
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Interested in why you think this -- I'm happy to look like a PR as a vanillager to have better odds of eating a NK as opposed to the actual PRs in most games.
But this aside, the larger post has several good points
I'm not sure I'm going to get to a townread on AV for a while though
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2020-08-07, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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If we vote no lynch and leave it in the judge's hand it gives a slight advantage to the townies. If we vote and hit the judge then we lose a villager and get closer to losing. If we let the judge make the choice, we could still hit the villager but the playing the odds and the number we have a better chance of hitting a witch with wolf. So for this first round at least, I'm more then okay with letting the judge trust their instinct, or not kill someone and we move onto the next night.
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2020-08-07, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, the VH should definitely be pretending to be a role that actually does something. I do love the flavour of the role, though (that role PM!).
And yes, judge should do something, though it only now occurs to me how odd it is that the general advice for mafia is that town should always lynch but vigilantes should only shoot if they're sure. I suppose it's because vigilantism doesn't generate as much discussion?