Couldn't Redcloak become a Mystic Theurge?

[Metastachydium]

Redcloak just said he's been High Priest for 35 years. Figure he was around 10-13 at the time he first gained the white cloak (and the Red Cloak about 5 minutes later), so now he's around 45-48. What's a goblin's maximum age? And is 10-13 a reasonable guess for when a goblin hits the equivalent of a 16-18 year-old human?

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Redcloak and Right-Eye kept joking about how they hoped to live to the ripe old age of 50 (and how they expected to die young, but that's a different matter), if that helps.

[Peelee]

Wow, if it doesn't give any casting then that's astonishingly bad. Poor Theurges.

Assuming the PrC can go above 10 levels, then in the listed example it's not the class's fault, it's other factors. It'd be like Elan gaining a class in Wizard - he wouldn't be able to actually cast any Wizard spells, not because of the class itself but because of other factors (in this case, his Int).

[understatement]

Redcloak just said he's been High Priest for 35 years. Figure he was around 10-13 at the time he first gained the white cloak (and the Red Cloak about 5 minutes later), so now he's around 45-48. What's a goblin's maximum age? And is 10-13 a reasonable guess for when a goblin hits the equivalent of a 16-18 year-old human?

Redcloak is listed as 55 (the same age as Durkon) inn War & XPs. Since age fudging is a thing, and goblins by all appearances age at the same rate as humans, I'd say he was ~16-19 when he put on the Cloak (and why RE calls him an 'angry teenager').

[Rogar Demonblud]

What's a goblin's maximum age?

IIRC, 40+2d8.

[Vinyadan]

Does D&D have the equivalent of the Potara Dance?

Recloak could choose a browcloack (wizard) (hob)goblin, then start ambushing him while wearing a mask, running away after fist contact, but not before summoning some monster. As the goblin wins his fights, he gets stronger and stronger, until he is fit for the ritual and Redcloak goes to him in person, without mask, without revealing who the masked attacker was, and invites him to fuse with him.

Or just to do the ritual, now that I think about it.

[Jasdoif]

The way I remember it, you CAN get more Theurge levels after you become Epic, But an 11+ Mystic Theurge is like a 21+ Cleric or wizard, and you don't automatically get anymore spells. And it has the absolute worst of the bonus feat progression, so you're absolutely better off taking something else.

You advance arcane casting on odd levels, and divine casting on even levels. So in most cases it's like taking alternating levels in the base classes, except you gain one epic bonus feat every six levels instead of two epic bonus feats every six levels.

Don't do this to yourself; take another dual-casting-progression prestige class instead.

[Doug Lampert]

You advance arcane casting on odd levels, and divine casting on even levels. So in most cases it's like taking alternating levels in the base classes, except you gain one epic bonus feat every six levels instead of two epic bonus feats every six levels.

Don't do this to yourself; take another dual-casting-progression prestige class instead.

MT progression from Wizard/Cleric entry, with no early entry tricks and no other prestige classes involved, is pretty terrible, but it looks WONDERFUL compared to the MT epic progression.

I believe you are (as Jasdoif says) globally better off to simply take wizard levels at odd levels and cleric levels at even levels. That gives more HP, progresses your familiar and clerical class features (turn/domain powers), and gives more feats (as pointed out), and a better fortitude save. I believe even skills are better off (I'm not sure that MT gets anything not on both the wizard and cleric list).

Edited to add: All it needs to do to be reasonable is (1) continue the non-epic dual advancement, it's not broken, and (2) give a feat ever 5 levels. To quote the SRD "In addition to the class features retained from nonepic levels, each class gains a bonus feat every two, three, four, or five levels after 20th." If they'd followed the rules given in the same DMG that has the class and its epic progression for its epic progression, then they'd have given it a bonus feat at worst every 5 levels.

It's like one group nerfed it by taking away the bonus feats, and another group nerfed it by taking away dual progression, and the two groups never talked to each other while editing the same text. Or maybe it was just one group and that group was made of idiots.

[woweedd]

IIRC, 40+2d8.

So, in his mid 50s, he's downright elderly, but is still just as spry as he was in his teens. That Cloak does its job well.

[Rogar Demonblud]

In his mid-fifties he's at the point of keeling over dead at midnight, if not for the Crimson Mantle. Makes you wonder what would happen if it got Disjunctioned...

[Luna_Mayflower]

if he doesn't violence or accident

Um wat?

I think he needs such powerful arcane power that he couldn't reach that level without farming for centuries.

[The MunchKING]

Um wat?

He could live forever if he doesn't die from violence or an accident.

[understatement]

In his mid-fifties he's at the point of keeling over dead at midnight, if not for the Crimson Mantle. Makes you wonder what would happen if it got Disjunctioned...

He'll live.

[woweedd]

He'll live.

Continuity Drift!

[understatement]

Continuity Drift!

So if V disjoins it and loses their powers...