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2020-08-30, 02:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-30, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
The evolution talk made me remember one silly thing that bugged me about Avatar. (The movie, not the show with the airbender.)
The Na'vi don't make sense. They don't have enough limbs. Look around Pandora, at all the large animals. Six limbs. Everywhere. But the Na'vi? Four limbs.
I mean look around at mammals, birds, and even fish on Earth. Four limbs is the common trend, and sure enough, we, too, have four limbs. But the limb paradigm on Pandora is six. So the Na'vi, too, should have six limbs.
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2020-08-30, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
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2020-08-30, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Oh it was glorious. The ships cook (among other things) brings on some new cheese to the ship, somehow a virus is missed by the biological filters meant to catch these things, and it started to grow. Not as much in numbers, but in size. Until they went from, iirc how they described it, from microscopic to macroscopic. Eventually being large enough to treat a living human as if it were a single cell it wanted to inject itself into. You had people fighting cgi floating tops the size of their torso with a stabby lance on the bottom trying to figure out how to stop them. I honestly forget how they were stopped but I think it was something like, the doctor created an antibody and set it off in the environmental control area to spread through the ship. Voyager was the best star trek for terrible episodes. The most infamous being the time they made a shuttle reach "Infinite speed" and that somehow made the pilot evolve into a giant salamander that kidnapped the captain, evolved her, then mated and released babies into the wild before being turned back.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-08-30, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Speaking of that chemical structure, it was possibly the most absurd depiction of a chemical I've ever seen - and I'm including the various ludicrous DNA depictions. I'm pretty inured to weird chemical structures between other media depictions and a passing interest in highly unstable structures that take forms that ping as intuitively wrong (e.g. a 3 carbon ring with only double bonds), but that thing? It looked like someone rammed a few bravais lattices they saw in a crystal chem book together, randomized position a bit, then drew lines between atoms that were vaguely near each other almost at random.
Plus, this was supposed to be a drug - at least throw in a benzene ring or 3 somewhere, they basically always show up.I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
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2020-08-30, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
I vaguely remembered a reasonable standard flat 2d representation, so I double checked.
I must have blanked it from my memory and my subconscious replaced it with something I work with like an innate defence mechanism for my sanity, because what in the dear sweet monkey loving periodic table is this monstrosity?
Spoiler: Somewhere, a chemist is weeping
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2020-08-30, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-30, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-08-30, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
I thought Frozen II was terrible for a bunch of reasons, but I especially hated they way they used "water has a memory" in their fantasy. It's a clear and obvious reference to the polywater pseudoscience scam.
Pixar has really, really gone downhill.Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
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2020-08-30, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-30, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
I think she actually bites someone and causes an outbreak at one point, so it's not the spores that are benign, not that the scientist in question was aware of that event.
Otherwise, yeah, totally agree. That's not how you study anything, let alone something you are hoping can be used to save humanity from a deadly disease. Actually on that note, there's a problem with the whole concept. By the time the games take place, the infection has stalled out. The places where people live don't really have a lot of infections. A vaccine might be useful, but it's hardly going to fix the world.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2020-08-30, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
No Ellie biting someone specifically does not cause an outbreak.
The infected also specifically migrant and move around through populated areas the characters say.Last edited by Phobia; 2020-08-30 at 04:33 PM.
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2020-08-30, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is literally the first I'm hearing about this.
If it is something unique about Ellie, then it's especially dumb that they're cutting her open. It might be something structural in her brain and taking her brain apart might show that... But all you're doing is murdering a child to satisfy your own curiosity.
If it's genetic, you're gonna need a team of geneticists and biochemists to figure out what it is and either synthesize the chemical cause or a gene therapy to replicate it.
A handful of surgeons can't do crap. They are not remotely qualified for this kind of thing, and again, the very fact...
Seriously. I have to question how this guy passed medical school if he failed medical ethics so badly.
If he is an actual medical doctor then he isn't allowed to do this kind of thing.I think I covered that with the "a vaccine doesn't stop you from being eaten."
You only need to worry about being infected if you walk through a spore patch or get bitten and don't die.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-30, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
I was annoyed almost continually by Interstellar, even from the beginning. I presume the destruction of Earth's ecosystems was being caused by a genetically-engineered microbe intended to 'fix' nitrogen, but the scientists in the movie said it breathed the gas. You cannot respire with nitrogen under Earth-like conditions, it's one of the most neutral substances that exists in nature, and virtually all life on Earth depends on either partnerships with microbes that naturally evolved enzymatic processes to fix it or soaking up bound nitrogen formed in atmospheric electrical discharges.
Still, the movie was at least interesting until they passed through the wormhole. Then it became a nightmare of ignorant stupidity.Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
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2020-08-30, 05:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-30, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Not so much bad science as scientist in denial. "They're just bugs". Yes, bugs who are able to accurately target earth from another star system with a meteor.
Very much this. Stupid scientists bother me much more than bad science (which I can uually ignore). In addition to the three examples above, let's see...
Lost in Space (Netflix remake): "The atmosphere is safe, no need for suits". "How can you tell?". "Because there's a hole in yours". Yes, because there could never be anything (pathogen, chemical, etc.), that takes more than 30 minutes to obviously impact someone.
The Meg: We've built a $1.3 billion dollar facility here which is completely wasted if the bottom is solid instead of a gaseous layer as we suspect. As opposed to taking a ship and sub out there, fining out, and THEN building the facility. (and it's the admission of the people who built it and want it to work that it;s a waste of money if the bottom is solid).
Hell, even Stargate SG-1. It's a show I love but man can they be stupid. No real quarantine procedures. Here's how you need to do it. Alpha site: This is the default SG base. Missions leave and return from here. No one returns to earth without x hours in quarantine. Beta site: This is where you go if you can't return to alpha site for some reason, including known infection. Omega site: Has care taking team which goes nowhere other than earth (after quarantine). This is where you evacuate from earth to.
But instead they haul stuff through all the time, and unless they already know of a problem there's no quarantine at all."That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2020-08-30, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-30, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
And they clear out the zombies, and the cities are pretty fortified for exactly that reason.
I found what I was thinking of. Ellie bites someone, and claims that she can spread the infection, but we never see if that is true as stuff goes down really soon afterwards, and I think the person she bites ends up dying before the game ends.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-08-30 at 06:44 PM.
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2020-08-30, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno why you're blaming Pixar, they had nothing to do with Frozen or Frozen 2. To date they have made only one "Disney princess" movie, and that's Brave.
Pixar's most recent five films:
Cars 3 - Meh.
Coco - Excellent.
Incredibles 2 - Pretty good.
Toy Story 4 - Haven't seen myself, but it got rave reviews and a bunch of awards.
Onward - Struck down by coronavirus shortly after it entered theaters, so hard to say.
All told, it seems like Pixar is still going strong. They've always had a mix of "good to great" films with a few standouts in both directions.
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2020-08-30, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Without any spoilers... So, the team from Pixar that's in charge of al the Toy Story movies worked with Square Enix and Tetsuya Nomura when writing and designing the Toy Story World for Kingdom Hearts III.
Looking at the timelines, they were probably doing this at the same time as they were making Toy Story 4.
You can tell. They don't come out and shout it at you, but the film and the original story from the game touch on a lot of the same themes.
And that's a good thing.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-30, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Stargate at least has the excuse that the actual, physical stargates are whats limiting them in their locations. You cant exactly retrieve a gate from inside another gate. For the first few years especially, they have exactly one option on where to go to that they know is clean.
The wiki also indicates that the alpha site was in fact planned to be used for quarantine should such be necessary. The big issue with using the alpha sites as the primary base is that, due to not being on earth, they have access to basically no resources except what is immediately on hand, and have, IIRC, no means of communicating with earth save for turning on the stargate and tossing letters through. That makes it not great for a primary command hub given the political situation on Earth.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-30, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I hope to not re-ignite this discussion, but I do want to note that I have actually been on both "sides" of the conversation happening in this comic for different franchises. One of those conversations involved Dr. Who, specifically. And I have seen more than a few shows where my overall opinion of the show's popularity is accurately (and humorously) expressed by that particular comic.
I would say that this is an accurate representation of the quality of some shows I still enjoy watching and would have the same sort of conversation with people about if I were to try and explain my liking of it to them right now. I believe a lot of people call this phenomenon "guilty pleasure" entertainment. Examples would risk derailing the thread further. So don't ask.I write a horror blog in my spare time.
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2020-08-30, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Yeah but....
the comic just sounds like internet bucketcrab mentality that I see so much these days. everyone is just out to pull down other peoples enjoyment of something else without considering their feelings, as if no one is allowed to have things that are sacred or enjoyable anymore, and every time someone expresses an opinion an internet bucket crab will come along to pull you down into the bucket of hate and argumentation for no reason other than they don't like people being above it. its depressing.
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2020-08-30, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
Good: Will act to prevent harm to others even at personal cost.
Evil: Will seek personal benefit even if it causes harm to others.
Law: General, universal, and consistent trump specific, local, and inconsistent.
Chaos: Specific, local, and inconsistent trump general, universal, and consistent.
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2020-08-30, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
"That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2020-08-30, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Its easy to forget, but the SGC does a lot of prep work with robots and such before they send any of the SG teams through. We just dont see it because its boring. And radio waves require that the gates be open, which is extremely non-ideal for, say, emergency communication.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-30, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Earth is the most heavily- and densely-populated human planet in the known universe in Stargate SG-1, so it's actually more likely that we'd bring novel diseases to other worlds than something nasty back to Earth. It's one of the pesky issues - like the human natives of other planets speaking English - that I'm willing to tolerate in the context of a half-hour TV show.
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Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
Good: Will act to prevent harm to others even at personal cost.
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Law: General, universal, and consistent trump specific, local, and inconsistent.
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2020-08-30, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Onward is quite good, not the strongest of their productions certainly but definitely typical of their overall quality. Its biggest issue is its... Pixar-ness? As in, it feels like it's doing the Pixar formula that we're now pretty familiar with so it doesn't feel as fresh when it bends genre conventions and subverts audiences expectations but more "Yes, that is a Pixar film in 2020".
Cars is the only Pixar production which feels like it only exists for the merchandising.
As to Stargate, the writers do go through some effort of showing Stargate command isn't incompetent in terms of its precautions and procedures, but it just happens in the margins as Keltest pointed out and there's a degree of "for drama" that hits every long-running SF thing. I think the biggest logical jump the franchise takes on a show-to-show basis is ignoring all the language barriers across space and time, but you have to recognize that making the series work in any practical sense means you simply have to accept it and move on.Last edited by Kitten Champion; 2020-08-30 at 09:16 PM.
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2020-08-30, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
Season 1: They brought back one illness, 3 aliens (including 2 goa'uld) and robot dopplegangers.
Season 2: One goa'uld (Tokra fortunately), one genocidal human, a hostile alien sphere that impaled Jack, a virus that mutated Teal'c, angry spirits (while they knew about them, going to a quarantine site would have kept them from earth), connected a black hole to earth, and yet another alien.
And that's just the first two seasons.
Edit: And oh yes, I agree they'd probably be wiping out civilizations left and right with diseases they brought.Last edited by tomandtish; 2020-08-30 at 09:03 PM.
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2020-08-30, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's the worst depiction of science did you see in fiction?
You've got two different episodes mixed in your head. The cheese infection was from the end of the first season and it infected Voyager's system of bioneural circuitry, which was a big problem because the bioneural gel packs can't be replaced for some reason. They kill off the bacteria by flash heating entire system.
The macrovirus episode is in the middle of season 3, and it's very similar to the Next Generation episode where Captain Picard returns to find the ship adrift and the entire crew affected by the de-evolution virus. The macrovirus got on to the ship by escaping the transporter buffer when the Doctor transported back from an infected alien colony. They end up luring all the macroviruses to the holodeck, because macroviruses hate holograms for some reason, and throwing an anti-virus bomb inside to kill them.
Source: Currently re-watching ST:Voyager
Point of fact: Stargate SG-1 and it's spin offs have all been hour-long TV shows.