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2020-09-08, 03:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
But they don't really use the term Sorcerer in the same way that DnD uses it - they use it more in a sense of 'master of arcane secrets'.
We could say that Jedi Order are some kind of multiclass combo involving limited magic and warrior training - where the Sith are much more varied, but that is kindof off topic from the sorcerer/wizard discussion.
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2020-09-08, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
The closest thing we saw to an orangutan in Star Wars was working for darksiders, to reforge Kylo Ren's helmet:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Albrekh
To be fair, he's a bit more chimp-ish than orang-ishLast edited by hamishspence; 2020-09-08 at 04:56 AM.
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2020-09-08, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
See, this is exactly the problem, you people are so focused on fitting round Star Wars orders into square D&D classes that you miss the main point: Sith and Jedi are religious orders, they don’t approach the Force as something to study or experiment with, they see it as the ultimate truth that holds the universe together.
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2020-09-08, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
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2020-09-08, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
Trying to shoehorn Lucas's Force into D&D's system is IMO a mistake. That said, I saw a neat build that tried to make a 5e monk (it was homebrew) into something closer to a force user. It wasn't a bad effort.
But narratively The Force and Ki are the same thing.
The Jedi are monks - psions. (EDIT: weird autocensor is weird)
The ultimate difference is that Lucas's Force is OP (game-wise) because he needs it to be for the story that he wanted to tell.
Game balance isn't in his priority matrix. (See also pod racing)Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-09-10 at 10:45 AM.
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Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-09-08, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
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2020-09-08, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
Darths & Droids summed it up quite aptly in terms of two D&D players trying to fit the idea of "Jedi" into terms they understood. For those who don't feel like clicking the link, the conversation is below.
GM: Jedi is your character class. You're sort of warriors with arcane abilities—
Qui-Gon: Like fighter/mages?
GM: — fighting for justice.
Obi-Wan: Ah, paladins.
GM: No. You draw upon the power of the Force—
Qui-Gon: "The Force"?
GM: The Force is an energy field—
Obi-Wan: Energy? But energy is force times distance.
Qui-Gon: And "power of the force" would be distance times the derivative with respect to time.
GM: <sigh> You're monks.
Qui-Gon: Got it.
Obi-Wan: But monks can't wield—
Qui-Gon: Shut up. He'll take away our laser swords!
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2020-09-08, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-09-08, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-08, 10:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
So the Jedi believe. That doesn’t mean it’s anywhere near as interventionist as the average D&D deity is. And after all, it’s not like the Jedi can travel to where The Force lives, and have an argument with it (and get beaten up by it) the way that can happen with a D&D cleric and their deity.
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2020-09-10, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wizard Hypocrisy Towards Sorcerers
Thematically speaking, Jedi are Paladins and Sith are either Anti-Paladins (Maul and Kylo Ren) or Sorcerors (the Emperor).