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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    But why would a lich want to?
    Well, if you can't create a biological bloodline, you can't take advantage of certain magic that requires you to sacrifice a relative. In general if we're talking purely pragmatically, there's some things only living things can do that are magically useful.
    If any idiot ever tells you that life would be meaningless without death, Hyperion recommends killing them!

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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    But why would a lich want to?
    Just because a lich doesn't have such needs, he will still remember that is was fun once and know that it might be fun again if he does so.

    A lich is all about "getting infinite time and rid of necessities to do whatever one wants to do". This should include activities purely for pleasure or against boredom.


    And considering that D&D and derivatives have fluff and even rules about "one of your ancestors was a lich", things like that should happen. With Evening glory D&D has even a religion about making love with (among others) liches. It is not always only vampires that get all the sexy adventures.

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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    Quote Originally Posted by Satinavian View Post
    Just because a lich doesn't have such needs, he will still remember that is was fun once and know that it might be fun again if he does so.

    A lich is all about "getting infinite time and rid of necessities to do whatever one wants to do". This should include activities purely for pleasure or against boredom.
    Presumably if you have the power to pull off lichdom and you're inclined towards enjoying fleshy pleasures, you look for a longevity option that leaves you less zombified.

    Flesh also has its weaknesses. Being forced to break off research in order to sleep/eat/relieve yourself, as well as being tempted by the hormonal cocktail being pushed out by your glands. A lich could certainly use a ninth level slot just to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh if they were so inclined; Magic Jar (5th level 3.5, 6th level 5e) lets you possess a body to enjoy its senses if you really wanted to, shapechanging into your living self doesn't sound out of line at all. But the sort of person to whom lichdom is attractive likely sees biology as more drawback than enjoyable.

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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    I can just picture a 500 year old lich, transformed into a living form, sitting there looking at his biological waste and going "This is retarded, I have no idea what I'm doing or what to do about it." And then asking his minions how they figured out how to deal with things like this. To which they mention being taught by their parents.
    Fade to heroes 'suddenly' adopting/birthing a 'child', age dependant on how much the lich has been able to figure out on his own. I've heard rather horrific tales from other parents about their evil spawn...play it up.
    "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."
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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    Shapechange requires concentration, so sex would probably break concentration and he'd turn back.

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    Default Re: Lich Shapechange into Human

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffWatson View Post
    Shapechange requires concentration, so sex would probably break concentration and he'd turn back.
    Depends on the edition. 3.PF, it was not a Concentration spell. Only in 5e did it gain that.

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