Pokémon Thread XXX: Hot Skitty on Wailord Action!

[Celestia]

What stands out to me mostly of the "why the gen 1 references" is the inclusion of Red and Green at the battle tree in Gen 7. Like, by that time the Gen 3 remakes were most of a decade old, and kids would have zero context for who these guys are, and why they should care. It existed purely as a massive call back to gen 1, which would be totally lost on anyone under 20. At most you could claim it was more of a HGSS call back, but we all know exactly which game they were aiming for.


Honestly, the controls. I barely scraped the surface of the game, having barely left the tutorial area, but I was constantly annoyed by the stupid clunky controls. Like 3 different menu buttons, some of which don't even access the same menu as the others. Link controlling like a drunk semi-truck, with so many actions useful for fights tied to needing 3+ buttons pressed in rapid succession, when I lack quick response and dexterity. It was just a nightmare to play, and I had yet to actually get to the "real" game, which of course means a jump in challenge, and I had no sign that I was going to be able to handle it.

Luckily it was borrowed from my brother, not an actual personal purchase, and I can just borrow it again if I really get the itch to try again. But as long as Pokemon Legends: Arceus doesn't have as many control/menu issues as BotW, I might be tempted to try it. And I can also get it cheaper then normal due to work discount, but if its too close to BotW in the stated ways, I guess its a lot smarter to skip.

I have no idea what you're talking about; I thought Breath of the Wild controlled fine. Regardless, though, Legends Arceus is very different in that regard. Most of what you need is on screen at all times, so you rarely ever need to menu. Even in battle, you can switch Pokémon and throw balls without ever opening the menu.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Spoiler: Ooh, headcanon for the new starters! (Spoilered because everything about unreleased games is usually spoilered)

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The duck is or becomes a water-flying type (very plausible), the happy croc becomes a fire-ground type kaiju thingie (reasonable guess, but far from the only one) and the cat becomes grass-electric type (complete ass-pull on my part), so they have an extra interesting type dynamic between them.

Also, the region looks... last gen as far as render detail goes, if that's a thing you care about, but nice. Seems to be based on Spain, judging by the Southern Europeanish vibe, the square map shape we're partially shown and the Sagrada Familia-ish looking building. I wouldn't have minded a different continent, but it looks nice. I might actually start hunting for a cheap switch if this pans out, depending on loads and loads of factors.

[OracleofWuffing]

So, like, are we going to abbreviate the two games as Scar/let?

Based on the buildings and the in-game map, other fansites report that the region will be based off of Spain. Any guesses on what Spanish references GF will add on a Pokemon? Maybe a regional Tauros or a wine-themed 'mon?

I saw windmills in the intro, so there's probably gonna be some form of Don Quixote expy. Part of me thinks it'd be cool if the Swords of Justice were regional varianted into aspects of that story, as kind of a literary pun.

...And thinking of regional foods, I am not certain if I want Sprigatito to evolve into a Taco Cat.

[Bartmanhomer]

I like how Pokemon is very diverse with so many real-world references.

[MCerberus]

If it is Poke-spain I will be disappointed if their version of the El Cid historical character doesn't make it in

[Rater202]

So, like, are we going to abbreviate the two games as Scar/let?


I saw windmills in the intro, so there's probably gonna be some form of Don Quixote expy. Part of me thinks it'd be cool if the Swords of Justice were regional varianted into aspects of that story, as kind of a literary pun.

...And thinking of regional foods, I am not certain if I want Sprigatito to evolve into a Taco Cat.

A taco cat would be Poke-Mexico, note Pokespain

...I am now imagining a pokemon similar to wurmple where you have a larval form that evolves into one of two cacoon middle forms resulting in widely divergent final forms... But instead of a bug it's a living food type pokemon and the middle form's cocoon is a tortilla. Whether it's a corn tortilla or a flour tortilla determines the final form.

the base form is a pile of meat, cheese, and spices, the middle form is one of two burritos, and the final form is either a plate of nacho supreme or a fully loaded taco depending on corn or flour.

[TaiLiu]

Well, we've already seen old Pokémon, so that's out also, I guarantee you this generation will add exactly 94 Pokémon, so it wouldn't be enough to fill a full region, anyways.

Oh, I missed that! That's too bad. It's been a bit since we did the whole new Pokémon only thing.

Still, I do hope these games are like Black and White in more than one way. And actually commit to the reboot idea. Retrospectively, Black and White have more similarities to gens 1-4 than it does to gens 6-8.

Yeah, fingers crossed that the story's just as robust as Black and White.

[MCerberus]

A taco cat would be Poke-Mexico, note Pokespain

...I am now imagining a pokemon similar to wurmple where you have a larval form that evolves into one of two cacoon middle forms resulting in widely divergent final forms... But instead of a bug it's a living food type pokemon and the middle form's cocoon is a tortilla. Whether it's a corn tortilla or a flour tortilla determines the final form.

the base form is a pile of meat, cheese, and spices, the middle form is one of two burritos, and the final form is either a plate of nacho supreme or a fully loaded taco depending on corn or flour.

So if we take the anime into consideration with Lycanroc, it means that we'd have a Gordita Form presumably with fire sauce.

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[Rater202]

So if we take the anime into consideration with Lycanroc, it means that we'd have a Gordita Form presumably with fire sauce.

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The truth is simpler: There's a region in northern Mexico where conditions aren't good for corn but wheat took well to the area, and people made tortillas out of what was available.

[MCerberus]

The truth is simpler: There's a region in northern Mexico where conditions aren't good for corn but wheat took well to the area, and people made tortillas out of what was available.

And that's how we get a pokemon with the Gordita Forme

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[OracleofWuffing]

A taco cat would be Poke-Mexico, note Pokespain.

D'oh, my apologies if that offended anyone. Would Poke-Siesta be too much of a stretch for a campground/poke-refresh analog?

[Celestia]

Now we just need a generation to introduce a grass crocodile starter, a fire turtle starter, and a water cat starter; and then the trinity of trinities will be complete.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

So, like, are we going to abbreviate the two games as Scar/let?

I am in favor of this abbreviation.

[Qwertystop]

Now we just need a generation to introduce a grass crocodile starter, a fire turtle starter, and a water cat starter; and then the trinity of trinities will be complete.

This makes three bird starters of different types, actually.

[Lord Raziere]

This makes three bird starters of different types, actually.

that has actually already been achieved:
fire: Torchic
water: Piplup
grass: Rowlet

Rowlet beat Quaxly to the bird trinity punch two gens ago.

[Celestia]

This makes three bird starters of different types, actually.

They're not the same birds, though. That is immensely unsatisfying. It's like cheating.

[Bartmanhomer]

They're not the same birds, though. That is immensely unsatisfying. It's like cheating.

How is that cheating?

[LaZodiac]

They're not the same birds, though. That is immensely unsatisfying. It's like cheating.

The cat's aren't the same cats, either? Likewise the turtles.

[MCerberus]

That doesn't track, there's nothing in kashrut about plant-based foods. Maybe for whether corn was chametz or knityot, but switching from corn to flour wouldn't actually help there regardless.

The world of food legends is a much more colorful, interesting place sometimes though. Even if it is 95% lies and exaggerations. The weird stories about food actually remind me of the in-game pokedex entries.

OT - I've actually been seeing some cross-talk from the SMT fandom hoping there's a Matador pokemon

[boj0]

Well, I've wanted a Tauros evo/form for years, so I might finally get my wish if we get a running of the bulls type nod.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

The cat's aren't the same cats, either? Likewise the turtles.

Sure, but there are like 10,000 species of birds, about twice as much as there are species of mammals. If we get to use groups that big then the mammals, the reptiles (including the new fire one) and even the amphibians maybe, depending on what Bulbasaur actually is, are all complete as well.

[Emmerlaus]

I saw rumors (and wonderful fanart) going around that the cat starter is going to evolve into a musketeer...

Im calling it: the name is going to be Muskkitty or Muskitteer LOL

[MCerberus]

I saw rumors (and wonderful fanart) going around that the cat starter is going to evolve into a musketeer...

Im calling it: the name is going to be Muskkitty or Muskitteer LOL

If that's the case we're back to Chickorita levels of "the correct starter"

[LaZodiac]

Sure, but there are like 10,000 species of birds, about twice as much as there are species of mammals. If we get to use groups that big then the mammals, the reptiles (including the new fire one) and even the amphibians maybe, depending on what Bulbasaur actually is, are all complete as well.

I've completely lost track of this conversation. We were talking about how we've got three gens that do cat/bird/turtle of each element, right?

I saw rumors (and wonderful fanart) going around that the cat starter is going to evolve into a musketeer...

Im calling it: the name is going to be Muskkitty or Muskitteer LOL

A cute idea! Each starter gets to be a sort of Spanish based fighter. Quaxly is Don Quixote the dumbass noble knight, Spigatito becomes a squave and cool matador, and Fuecoco becomes-

oh no

[Celestia]

I saw rumors (and wonderful fanart) going around that the cat starter is going to evolve into a musketeer...

Im calling it: the name is going to be Muskkitty or Muskitteer LOL

The Three Musketeers is French, though.

[boj0]

That didn't stop them from introducing the Musketeer Trio/Quartet in the America region.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

That didn't stop them from introducing the Musketeer Trio/Quartet in the America region.

Yeah we’ve already got Musketeer Pokémon.

Not that that’s stopped them before, of course.

[Lord Raziere]

Yeah we’ve already got Musketeer Pokémon.

Not that that’s stopped them before, of course.

Yeah Quaxly is like the second starter water bird, and like the seventh duck pokemon in general.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

I've completely lost track of this conversation. We were talking about how we've got three gens that do cat/bird/turtle of each element, right?

Crocodiles, turtles and cats, yes. Then someone compared that to birds, but birds are a big category, more comparable to mammals then to cats. And mammals also already have a complete set, as do reptiles and arguably amphibians. A much smaller sub-category of birds like chickens or ducks or crows or maybe raptors or ratites would be more comparable to the categories turtles, crocodiles and cats.