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2020-09-14, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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The title of 1214
Should the title of 1214 be "And They're Squishier ones, too" since it is referring to the spare dwarf heads? Otherwise I don't really understand what it's trying to say.
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Re: The title of 1214
But shouldn't that be:
Looks like we have some spare dwarf heads to work with. And squishier ones, too.
or as the OP worded it:
Looks like we have some spare dwarf heads to work with. And they're squishier ones, too.
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As is, I also struggle to make sense of this construction, grammatically speaking.Forum Wisdom
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2020-09-14, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The title of 1214
I believe it is grammatically correct as is, although admittedly an unusual way to say it.
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2020-09-14, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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The meaning is the squishier type of head
It’s a common grammatical structure in English.'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2020-09-14, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The title of 1214
I think "And the Squishier Kind, Too" would've sounded better.
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The title functions as an appositive phrase to the noun 'dwarf heads.' Just grabbing the Wikipedia definition:
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E.g., 'hand me the sword, the green one.'
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2020-09-14, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The title of 1214
I read the "and" part as an expression of excitement. I am not a native English speaker, so I'm probably in a minority here.
I find "the" to be natural. Perhaps it works differently in English, as I only know that in my language when speaking about something specific you use "the", and when speaking about something in general, the "the" part is omitted.
We have 3 heads, the leftovers two are the squishier ones.
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2020-09-15, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Now we’re getting into spoken versus written English
Spoken English often uses ‘and’ at the start of the new sentence to tie it back to the previous sentence. That’s because spoken English is obviously less structured and planned, so it naturally has pauses as people think of their next word.
If you listen to transcripts of interviews instead of newspaper reports you’ll see what I mean as the reports usually clean things up.
Xykon’s intent was something like ‘oh, and they are the squishier type of head as well’. But the contracted phrase is acceptable in spoken English because there’s clearly nothing else he could be talking about as the subject of that clause.Last edited by mjasghar; 2020-09-15 at 02:16 AM.
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I quite don't understand the title as well
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2020-09-15, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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"We've got some spare heads to work with...and squishier ones, too." - These heads are squishier than the other head I was talking about
"We've got some spare heads to work with...and the squishier ones, too." - Out of all the dwarf heads that are present (of which there are three), these are the squishier ones
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IMHO it should be "And they're squishier as well!"
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So I would say Rich broke several "soft rules" of English; leading to a Garden-path sentence.
- Starting a sentence with "and"
- No punctuation after the "and"; there should be a comma (if it's like "additionally, ") or an explication point (if it's an interjection)
- Dropping the subject
- Dropping the copula ("are").
- Article disagreement: some heads / the ones
- Using any kind of grammatical structure the depends on close proximity of phrases in a situation where those phrases are split between two texts
I wouldn't say any of these are strictly forbidden (especially when mimicking informal speech). But all six at once is a pretty bad combo.
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