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    The "plan" was actually a joke to screw around with Forgath, as MM reveals in the following page; that's why I linked that episode, it shows him being smart enough to understand how to get people riled up.
    And then he nearly gets eaten by a tentacle monster because he thought that getting Forgath riled up was a good way to pass the time before their attack on the goblins. So yeah.
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    And then he nearly gets eaten by a tentacle monster because he thought that getting Forgath riled up was a good way to pass the time before their attack on the goblins. So yeah.
    I don't really know what you mean exactly, but it was Forgath who threw him in the pond.
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    I don't really know what you mean exactly, but it was Forgath who threw him in the pond.
    Because Minmax got him riled up.

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    New comic.

    You know what's really dumb and probably plot relevant before the end of this comic?

    Kin has covered up the string of her obedience collar but not the collar itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobb View Post
    New comic.
    Doesn't Minmax's first sentence lack a second half?

    You know what's really dumb and probably plot relevant before the end of this comic?

    Kin has covered up the string of her obedience collar but not the collar itself.
    Come again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Doesn't Minmax's first sentence lack a second half?
    "Huh? Oh." No, I think those are both complete sentences.

    Moving on to the third: "Those are hellstrands this demon deity called The Sacred, but ..."

    Yeah, he's missing some bits in there. "Those are hellstrands from this demon..." or something.
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    The interesting thing is Kin's phrasing: "your world is going to end", not "our world" or "the world".
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    The interesting thing is Kin's phrasing: "your world is going to end", not "our world" or "the world".
    Good point... at first I thought it was because she might have spent conscious years in the Maze and isn't yet back to consider this world her home. Then I thought that maybe it's to underscore MM's lack of self-consciousness. But now I am wondering if she used the Maze to take off to a better world than the Goblins Realm, and she's only back because she really needed to talk to MM. Although she did say that evil was winning on a multiverse scale, so who knows, maybe there simply isn't a place better than this Realm.
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    Minmax is being a bit Verbose for Minmax. At least i think he is, could probably trim that dialogue down a little bit.

    "Huh? Oh. Those are hellstrands. There's this Demon-deity guy that's trapped in a prison axe, but the axe broke, and now he's turning our world into a layer of hell so he can escape." would have been my first draft.

    Feel like the whole "that's not his real name" bit is more for the audience then Kin, that could probably be left out, since anyone who read the comic up to this point would already know this. and the "torture every living soul" thing seems a bit like padding. context alone probably could have established that. Like how you if you're told an animal is being kept in a zoo, you probably don't need to be told that they're feeding it regularly, that's kind of implied.


    beyond that, more or less okay. kind of surprised Minmax forgot about not-walter, but meh.
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    He traded his ability to remember useful NPCs for a +1 damage bonus.
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    It's particularly remarkable, because Grinnorarcen is how he learned about demonic true names the first time. https://www.goblinscomic.com/comic/12042005/
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    He traded his ability to remember useful NPCs for a +1 damage bonus.
    a'ight, that's clever. Thumbs up.
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    I think this was an attempt to play with his character a bit. The dumb guy who randomly will rattle off a complicated set of sentences to explain, say, the entire plot of the story, then goes right back to 3 int barely avoiding drooling on himself behavior. I dont know what its called but im sure its a trope as ive seen it done before. Or maybe minmax has just been fighting so many demons they are starting to blur in his grief addled mind so he honestly did forget about not walter specifically being a demons whose name they know briefly.
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    It doesn't really make sense. Literally the only reason he knows anything about true names is from Not-Walter. He can't have forgotten him. He just referenced him a sentence ago. I know "hurr-durr Minmax is dumb" but this is just nonsensical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    It doesn't really make sense. Literally the only reason he knows anything about true names is from Not-Walter. He can't have forgotten him. He just referenced him a sentence ago. I know "hurr-durr Minmax is dumb" but this is just nonsensical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Do you always remember the context in which you've learned things? Because I don't.
    Mostly? Also, for Minmax it was yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    Mostly? Also, for Minmax it was yesterday
    to be fair, it's been a long day.


    and again feel like this whole exchange is more aimed at the audience to remind us what's happening, it has been a few comics (and a long time irl) since all that happened.
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    In this case, I wonder if "I forgot all" means "I did not think of Grinnorarcen lately, and of how he relates to the current situation". Not that it would have mattered for MM, since the name was whispered to Kin, and he probably couldn't hear it when she used it.

    Other options are a parody of players forgetting stuff from previous quests/sessions, or MM's tunnel-vision brain that remembers mechanical advantages but not most other things.

    By the way, that against MM38 and Grinnorarcen was a very good-looking fight. It was just people hitting each other and thinking up clever countermeasures, instead of torture, gore, pain, and anguish. https://www.goblinscomic.com/comic/02212012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    By the way, that against MM38 and Grinnorarcen was a very good-looking fight. It was just people hitting each other and thinking up clever countermeasures, instead of torture, gore, pain, and anguish. https://www.goblinscomic.com/comic/02212012
    This is counting Kin's rape flashback as happening after the fight, I'm guessing.

    (On an unrelated note, declaring the "I forgot all about not-Walter!" line "just nonsensical" is the biggest stretch I've seen here since the last really big stretch I've seen here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    This is counting Kin's rape flashback as happening after the fight, I'm guessing.
    Well, yes. But even that is followed by MM saving Kin, and by Kin overcoming her horror towards physical contact.

    Actually, I think that's GS's final defeat: first against Thac0 as the city's hero, then against MM and Forgath as a villain, and then in Kin's mind as the trees that pin her like he did are smashed and she gets over some of the damage he did to her as her rapist.
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