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Thread: What alignment is Oona?
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2020-09-16, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What alignment is Oona?
Since she had no problems when Protection from Good was cast on her we can rule out any Good alignment
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2020-09-16, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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As an autistic person I'm rather strongly opposed to calling people stupid for misunderstanding what someone else said. A large part of my life consists of me misunderstanding others and others misunderstanding me because our mental frameworks aren't aligned. And from what I've heard different cultures can have similar effects, especially if the person from the different culture isn't familiar with the language.
EDIT: So basically I'm agreeing with you.Last edited by Worldsong; 2020-09-16 at 11:05 AM.
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2020-09-17, 03:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Misunderstanding Monster-san may have been stupid depending on what exactly was said (we don't know that). Deciding to kill two random paladins to feed him is straight-up evil.
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2020-09-17, 04:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 04:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Really now? Would you say same for Elan and Thog? She had also believed that she has "power of shrinky dinking". Sorry but that's not a hill worth dying for.
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2020-09-17, 05:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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What causes misunderstandings is difference in mental frameworks and flawed communication. One of the easiest ways for such a difference to exist is a significant difference in intelligence. However other methods to create such differences include different cultures and the easiest way for flawed communication to occur is through differences in language comprehension.
Also Oona expresses surprise at Maxrah turning into Minrah the moment she attacks. That hardly screams stupidity, especially since another explanation could be her not being very familiar with the spell Minrah was using. It's not like everyone in the world is a spellcaster or has an intimate knowledge of all the spells in existence.
And I disagree. The stance that miscommunication does not equal stupidity is certainly worth dying for, because the alternative is that literally everyone in existence is stupid.
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2020-09-17, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 05:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oona is far too insightful to be *generally* stupid - she noticed immediately that Redcloak didn't answer her question, for one, and understands and agrees with his comments about her trying his patience. And that's just one page. Imagine as contrast how Elan or the Monster in the Darkness would have reacted (back before they became a little more insightful). Oona's demeanour can be explained by a combination of her being ignorant about certain things, her not being ashamed about who she is or to *seem* stupid, and a partial two-way language barrier.
Oona is friendly, helpful to her friends and allies, knows where to put healthy barriers, is smart enough to protect a vital resource without violence, believes in a natural and good hierarchy between beasts and masters, and is prepared to kill people at a moment's notice as a favour to her friends.
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2020-09-17, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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My personal theory is that neurotypical people actually misunderstand what is being said about 95% of the time.
Like, neurotypicals literally never seem to know what is going on. They constantly ignore the evidence of their eyes and their ears and just pretend to understand whats happening and pretend that they’re understood by others, just to make social interactions less difficult.
Oona doesn’t hide her constant social confusion like most neurotypicals do. That doesn’t make her stupid. It makes her socially awkward, and it probably makes her relationships with other people very difficult. And it probably explains why she decided to be a beast master instead of a bard.
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2020-09-17, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dwarves and paladins are, more or less, natural enemies of bugbears. And they are in her territory, with weapons and armors. It does not strikes me as Evil that she attacks them.
For sure, it's way less evil than travelling to a village and slaughter unarmed civilians, including children.
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2020-09-17, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-09-17, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wot?
You mean the entire ice floe? You just get to attack anybody armed that's somewhat near where you live? I guess legalization is one way to solve banditry.
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2020-09-17, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-09-17, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Paladins? Since when?
Also, neither paladin wears armour which was or could be visible to Oona when she attacked (she came from behind and the paladins have cloaks), O-Chulseemed to be unarmed, while Lien was carrying a spear that probably is in fact supposed to double as a fishing instrument (mind you, they were walking above a body of water).
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2020-09-17, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oona has no way to know that O-Chul and Lien are paladins; what she did was to attack two individuals without any warning with the intent of feeding them to someone else.
Durkon was unarmed and engaged in a diplomatic meeting with Redcloak under truce; Redcloak broke the truce and tried to kill Durkon, Minrah intervened to defend Durkon and Oona is willing to kill them just because she can't find a reason not to kill them.
None of the individuals she tried to kill is known to have killed unarmed civilians, including children.Last edited by Bunny Commando; 2020-09-17 at 11:36 AM.
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2020-09-17, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-09-17, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you. And yes language barriers are the worst.
I think that what happens is that in any instance of communication/interaction there's a decent amount of filling in the gaps, but when the interaction is between two people who share a similar culture and mindframe/mindset they'll mostly fill in those gaps with accurate assumptions.
When people with different cultures and/or mindframes try to fill in the gaps problems show up.
And people who are just strange in general (whether due to autism, unusual upbringing, or other deviations) learn to try harder to pick up all the data so the amount of assumptions they need to make is reduced but that both takes more effort and doesn't work as well as already being similar enough that you can make a reasonable guess at the other person's intentions.
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2020-09-17, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thats kind of a huge double standard there. If its not ok for the paladins or dwarves to attack the bugbears just for being there, it isnt ok for the bugbears to attack the dwarves or paladins just for being there.
You mean the entire ice floe? You just get to attack anybody armed that's somewhat near where you live? I guess legalization is one way to solve banditry.
Actually, even in not so ancient times.Last edited by Conradine; 2020-09-17 at 02:33 PM.
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2020-09-17, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-09-17, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah yes, the infamous "everywhere I can reach with my winged beast" method of determining the area of unmarked terrain that can be considered "territory" for the purposes of justifying murder. Not particularly different from "I killed you because there was no-one there to stop me" approach to murder. By that logic, the paladins considered the land where the goblin village was to be part of their territory too, and thus were perfectly entitled to kill those armed squatters. (They obviously were not)
Now, IMnpHO, killing someone hours away from your village, and no danger to it in any way shape or form for the "crime" of being armed in a world where random encounters are a thing is Evil. And doing so so you can provide a treat to a pet is no better.
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2020-09-17, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know where you expect her to acquire her human treats humanly if not in the wild - the bugbears don't seem to have the resources to farm them, she could I suppose import from Gobbotopia in the future but they haven't estiblished trade relations yet.
On topic - I see Oona as CE (I get a bit of a Thog, Xykon feel to her - fairly friendly, happy, willing to kill at a moments notice etc) and Greyview as NE, but I could see Oona as CN or NE (and maybe at a stretch TN) - I can see why some argue for L but I disagree on that (I don't see her as a Tarquin, Redcloak, Kubota character in the slightest).
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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