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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
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2020-09-17, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
If I had a player using it, I'd tell them to roll the d20 every time they cast a spell unless I specifically said otherwise, rather than it being only when I wanted them to. A 1/20 chance every time they cast a spell is fine.
When they use the power that makes it more likely, I'd say it works the next time they cast a leveled spell unless I specifically choose otherwise.
My "unless I choose otherwise" is mainly to prevent it from disrupting a scene or being otherwise unfun when it happens.
I think we're on the same page, here, if not exactly at the same paragraph.
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2020-09-17, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
Because it's a non-standard die.
Not everyone takes the extra effort to purchase an (both figuratively and physically) oddly shaped "die" to be able to roll exactly d3, and the d6 method is awkward at best. It's not hard, it's just annoying.
Besides, if the system comes with a set of dice: 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 1d10, 1d12, 1d20 and d%, then WHY do we need an abstract die to be rolled with some other die or dice? (granted, d% is close to being the same, but at least they made the effort to include a special die in the standard dice set just for that. d3 didn't get any of that courtesy).
Plus, it's still argued over and over again after 40 years whether you should use a) 1,2 (1); 3,4(2); 5,6(3) OR b) 1,2,3 (1,2,3) and 4,5,6 (1,2,3).
TL;DR: d3 is STUPID.Last edited by Arkhios; 2020-09-17 at 01:44 AM.
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2020-09-17, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
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My Homebrew:
Base Class: Warlord | Roguish Archetype: Inquisitor | Roguish Archetype: Thug | Primal Path: Rage Mage
Ongoing game & character:
Sajan Uttam, human Monk 6/Fist of Irori 3 (Legacy of Fire)
D&D/Pathfinder CV of sorts
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2020-09-17, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
Not sure why there's argument over that. I have used both. I just make it clear before I roll which I'm using.
I have also used the d4, reroll 4s method.
I just don't see what's so difficult about a d3.
But, if it's really that big of a deal, buff the Barbarian a little bit by giving him a d4, instead.
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2020-09-17, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
I can't recall if this was discussed already. Can Limited Wish be used to generate 5,050 gold for the warlock every 1d4 days via uses of Leomund's Secret Chest?
In order for the spell to function, you need a 5,000g chest and a 50g replica. The duration of the spell is instantaneous. The ongoing use of the spell requires that you be able to touch the replica and store things inside the full sized chest.
So does it just... make those items for you? So you can then turn around and sell them for a tidy income during your downtime?
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2020-09-17, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-17, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure you'll get far asking for objective justification for something that's really just a matter of personal taste. There's a myriad of reasons why someone would object to a d3. One might just be simple aesthetics. An odd-numbered die feels weird amongst a set of evens. Most dice are Platonic solids, and back in the day there were people who objected to the d10 because it wasn't. Perhaps the mechanic behind the d3 isn't interesting enough to warrant the inclusion of its own special die, and would fit into the game better as a d4. By the same token, a number of existing mechanics might benefit from a d3 but the game has a certain structure to compensate for its nonexistence -- until now. We've been doing d6, halved (or whatever) for decades. Why is that no longer acceptable?
All of these are valid opinions (note I'm not saying I subscribe to all of them, just describing...).
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2020-09-17, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-18, 02:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
I wonder if it would still work well if you DID use the Wild Surge table instead...
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2020-09-18, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
There are actually 14 results that do nothing for the Barbarian, as they cannot cast any of the spells while raging (the reason why their other 3rd level feature is no longer "cast detect magic" by the way) cannot recover sorcery points, and by proxy have no spell slots or spells to cast as a bonus action instead of an action.
Coincidentally, this makes it more likely that the Barbarian will have a bad result than if then Sorcerer rolled on the table, as almost all of these results were a neutral or positive effect for the Sorcerer.Last edited by ProsecutorGodot; 2020-09-18 at 09:43 AM.
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2020-09-18, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
Personally, if the rules did say to use the Wild Sorcerer table, I'd interpret that as specific overriding general and the line about "casting" a spell being more "this spell is cast, in the passive voice" despite the way it's worded (which I assume is in part, at least, for brevity). I doubt a sorcerer is really stopping and going through the conscious act of casting a fireball centered on himself when he rolls that result on the table, and thus I would also rule that a Barbarian who somehow got that result from raging with wild magic would just have his rage explode into the fiery ball of anger around him. Maybe it could be counterspelled, but I wouldn't require the sorcerer or the barbarian to actually be able to take a casting action. (I mean, other than the fact that the sorcerer doesn't even get to roll on the table if he hasn't cast a spell in the normal way.)
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2020-09-18, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
I still think it's generally worse for the Barbarian even if you're only adding 5 results to the list of bad rolls. Remember that those 5 were also all "good" rolls for the Sorcerer, so the Barbarian's odds on the table are primarily bad/neutral while the Sorcerers are neutral/good.
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2020-09-18, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-18, 10:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
Agreed. For example, even if the wild surge was triggered by a bonus action spell which makes it illegal to cast Fireball, the wild mage would cast Fireball on self anyway.
The main change the Barbarian needs is better editing: rename the 3rd level feature from "Wild Surge" to "Wild Magic" to avoid confusion, and add a note in the text about where to find the Wild Magic table, as in "roll on the Wild Magic table below to determine the magical effect produced." One extra word "below" to avoid a lot of potential confusion with the PHB wild surge table.
WotC needs to hire a good editor.Last edited by MaxWilson; 2020-09-18 at 10:11 AM.
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2020-09-18, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
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2020-09-18, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock
I like "don't bother rolling the d20, ever, but always trigger if Tides of Chaos recharge would apply." Seriously, there's no point in that d20 unless you attach more effects to it than RAW does.
As a rule variant to fix the boredom, it might be interesting to say "always roll the d20 and apply the original table from Tome of Magic to it" though. Instead of using a fixed value from the table to denote wild surges (e.g. at level 20, rolling a 9 always triggers a Wild Surge on the original table), just have the player call out a number before rolling. If the die roll matches, that's a surge, in addition to the level adjustment effect.
But rolling a d20 that does nothing 95% of the time per RAW is a waste of table time.
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