Results 1 to 15 of 15
-
2020-09-17, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
- Location
- In your head.
- Gender
Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Anyone want to throw out some ideas for an alternative "standard human" that would be able to co-exist with all of the new options being introduced with TCoE's race customization rules?
We should assume all other variants are out (so no feats (VHuman) or multiclassing (lol, what I tried before)).
I'm personally not sure how to manage their ASIs. Should they just get two floating +2s and skill versatility?Last edited by Edea; 2020-09-17 at 12:10 PM.
"Come play in the darkness with me."
Thanks for the avatar, banjo1985!
Spoiler
I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 17
Intelligence- 20
Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
Take the 'What D&D Character am I?" Quiz!
Somehow I doubt the veracity of this quiz :P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
-
2020-09-17, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2020
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Humans could be able to stack their wildcard boni with the caveat that no characteristic could be raised over 18 this way.
-
2020-09-17, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2008
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Is the goal to make them roughly as bad as they were before instead of much much worse, or to make them viable against the new crop of top tier races?
-
2020-09-17, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2011
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
I would love to participate in this, but I'm afraid I'm a bit out of the loop on latest news so I'm unsure how to apply my own thoughts to the exercise.
I've always appreciated the idea of adaptability for Humans, so perhaps something that applies directly to them could be a passive that lets Human characters mitigate environmental effects after an amount of time spent in a specific climate.Last edited by Xanatos; 2020-09-17 at 12:35 PM.
"The humans of the internet are uncouth. When I said I was an Asgardian God, they called me a troll!"
*pause*
"But you're a half-giant."
"Exactly! They wouldn't accept it."
-
2020-09-17, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
- Location
- In your head.
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
The latter (bolded).
I mean there's also just the possibility of having standard humans be entirely dependant on a massive swath of 'regional variants' (like Chondathan, Thayan, etc. for FR, Aundairian, Brelish, etc. for Eberron, on and on), but holy crap that's a lot of work.
I'm wary about letting them reorganize the +1s they have at default, that's still a total of +6 and the only real reason that's tolerable is due to them being spread out to uselessness. Even a +2/+1/+1/+1/+1 is overboard, TBH.Last edited by Edea; 2020-09-17 at 12:48 PM.
"Come play in the darkness with me."
Thanks for the avatar, banjo1985!
Spoiler
I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 17
Intelligence- 20
Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
Take the 'What D&D Character am I?" Quiz!
Somehow I doubt the veracity of this quiz :P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
-
2020-09-17, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2008
-
2020-09-17, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
- Location
- In your head.
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Lemme make some assumptions for now:
- ASI: +2/+2 Float
- Size: Medium
- Speed: 30 feet
- Skill Versatility (Gain proficiency in two skills, both Float)
- Languages: Common + 1 Float
OK, when comparing this to a half-elf, we get:
Human - +1 more ASI total
Half-Elf - Darkvision, Fey Ancestry, additional Language (Float)
I think S-Human here could do with one more racial ability, and it's good. Darkvision's strong and Fey Ancestry's not exactly useless either, so IMO probably not a ribbon; it should be something relevant (NOT feat or multiclass benefit, those are variant rules).
A floating save proficiency's almost certainly too strong (though I love the idea personally). A floating weapon proficiency...ehhh, maybe? For some reason I don't like that one, can't put my finger on it..."Come play in the darkness with me."
Thanks for the avatar, banjo1985!
Spoiler
I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 17
Intelligence- 20
Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
Take the 'What D&D Character am I?" Quiz!
Somehow I doubt the veracity of this quiz :P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
-
2020-09-17, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2008
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
-
2020-09-17, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
- Location
- In your head.
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
I mean, TBH I'm up for the floating save prof if there's no big objection to it. It's essentially the Resilient feat, except the +1 ASI and the save prof. don't necessarily have to match.
Usually you're going to aim one of your +2s at the primary stat of your base class, which has that save proficiency by default, so you're likely to just use the floater on one of the other big saves or the one you put your other +2 into, anyway."Come play in the darkness with me."
Thanks for the avatar, banjo1985!
Spoiler
I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 17
Intelligence- 20
Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
Take the 'What D&D Character am I?" Quiz!
Somehow I doubt the veracity of this quiz :P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
-
2020-09-17, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2011
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
So we're essentially building the racial traits for Humans from scratch?
Why not consolidate the ASI suite from base, since the object is to show the dynamic adaptabilty of them? Swap the flat +1 across the board for three +2.
If this is a question of making Humans to be mechanically comparable, would having some more unique features be a decent alternative?"The humans of the internet are uncouth. When I said I was an Asgardian God, they called me a troll!"
*pause*
"But you're a half-giant."
"Exactly! They wouldn't accept it."
-
2020-09-17, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
- Location
- In your head.
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Thinking additional features is a better idea than the three +2s (the latter would cause people to have a heart attack).
Atm we have the following:
- ASI: +2/+2 (both Float, obvs.)
- Size: Medium
- Speed: 30 feet
- Skill Versatility (Gain proficiency in two skills, both Float)
- Human Flexibility (Gain proficiency in one type of saving throw, Float)
- Languages: Common + 1 Float
"Come play in the darkness with me."
Thanks for the avatar, banjo1985!
Spoiler
I guess I'm a Neutral Good Human Wizard (4th Level)
Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 17
Intelligence- 20
Wisdom- 20
Charisma- 12
Take the 'What D&D Character am I?" Quiz!
Somehow I doubt the veracity of this quiz :P
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
-
2020-09-17, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2013
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
Is +2+2+2 really that strong?
Mountain Dwarf gets +2+2, but they also get medium armor, darkvision, FOUR weapon proficiencies (which can now be tools), a language, another tool, and both advantage and resistance against poison.
Surely that's about as equal as a +2 to a tertiary stat, right?
Letting humans have great ability scores but nothing else allows them to be the race of choice for those with a MAD build. Monks, Paladins, strength based Rangers/Rogues/Gishes all would be really thankful for the last +2Last edited by heavyfuel; 2020-09-17 at 08:26 PM.
-
2020-09-18, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2011
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
I'd be surprised if anybody who would take base Human wouldn't be doing it just to get a sweeping increase in modifiers anyway. Consolidating it into three specific increases doesn't seem like a big deal to me personally, but I'll defer the point.
What about something like "Tenacious", giving them a +1 bonus on Con checks against Exhaustion? I might be thinking the wrong angle on this, but people tend to just push through things pretty frequently."The humans of the internet are uncouth. When I said I was an Asgardian God, they called me a troll!"
*pause*
"But you're a half-giant."
"Exactly! They wouldn't accept it."
-
2020-09-18, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2018
- Gender
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
My mind also went to +2/+2/+2, honestly. What are you doing with the third one that's so gamebreaking? I don't see "an extra point of AC or a hit point per level, and a +1 to a strong save, assuming that dex wasn't already your primary stat in which case you get just +1 wis saves, probably" as being awesomely powerful - nice, but not amazing. And the point of Suman is that it's sorta meant to be relatively simple and just be +stats, so I don't like giving it a bunch of other stuff that much.
-
2020-09-18, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2016
Re: Spitballing: Standard Human That Works With Origin Customization
I would just bake in the prodigy feat as part of the race. I feel like the free expertise would give them something unique and powerful that no other race gets.