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    So, I've thought about it for a bit, and honestly it would be really awesome to play a pokemon game where you are not a young 10-12 year old beginning your journey, but an older, perhaps grizzled and/or traumatized adult getting back in the game. With as many pokemon fans are older nowadays, and with just how popular the comeback trope is, I'm surprised pokemon hasn't done this. Obviously they won't because their target audience is still kids and said adults will play pokemon anyways, but still, it would be pretty cool.
    I suggest that this game, if it were to exist, should be called pokemon Gun Metal Grey, and center around an older character asked by an old friend from his trainer days to watch over said friends kid on his journey. This leads to the Player accidentally being roped into the pokemon league and avoiding being noticed by his friends kid, whilst defeating the pokemon gang of the region before the kid can run into them and get hurt.
    You could actually do a lot with this concept, both touching, fun, and grim and gritty. You could have a scene where the player visits the grave sites of his first pokemon, laments why/how he gave up the life of a trainer, have actually inspiring moments where we can see someone whose given up on everything comeback to what he lost, and even get to feel in tune with this character a tad because he's been through this all before, he knows Pokemon like the back of his hand, just like how most Veteran Pokemon Players have been there before and know the game and it's pokemon like their own hands.
    It'a not a great idea, or revolutionary in any way, but I'm surprised that I couldn't find the concept of an adult main character even in the fan games(Or at least the ones I searched) so I wanted to see if anyone else thinks that would be fun, or if it's just me.
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    Honestly, what difference would it make when you have a silent protagonist who makes no decisions? It would be a cosmetic change for your avatar, essentially.

    To make playing an adult character meaningful they'd need to give the PC some kind of characterization beyond everyone praising you effusively for succeeding on the linear adventure you're on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonfly7 View Post
    Obviously they won't because their target audience is still kids and said adults will play pokemon anyways, but still, it would be pretty cool.
    There's no reason a game that's appropriate for all ages can't have an adult character as the protagonist. The Mario franchise usually puts an adult in the lead role and they still have no problem getting E ratings and selling games to kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitten Champion View Post
    Honestly, what difference would it make when you have a silent protagonist who makes no decisions? It would be a cosmetic change for your avatar, essentially.

    To make playing an adult character meaningful they'd need to give the PC some kind of characterization beyond everyone praising you effusively for succeeding on the linear adventure you're on.
    This. The protagonist of the mainline Pokemon games isn't important: they are just an avatar for the player.

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    While the protags of most Pokemon games are 10-12, there have been cases where they've been older (I think Black/White was about 13/14, and my headcanon is that the MC of Sun/Moon is about that age as well). It seems that more serious and plot-heavy Pokemon games tend to get older protagonists.

    But going all serious and gritty? At that point it'll likely come off as a bad attempt to go full MegaTen, but with the disadvantages of people viewing the series as relatively lighthearted and the monster designs tending towards being cute instead of scary. And I love MegaTen,, but I also love Pokemon, and so if I want grizzled mon stuff I'll go for the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    There's no reason a game that's appropriate for all ages can't have an adult character as the protagonist. The Mario franchise usually puts an adult in the lead role and they still have no problem getting E ratings and selling games to kids.

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    This. The protagonist of the mainline Pokemon games isn't important: they are just an avatar for the player.
    I agree. I don't see any reason to play Pokemon as an older character. It can be of any age, to be honest.
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    At this point, I will only play a new pokemon if they let me play as an older character. There's a weird cognitive dissonance when the main character is supposed to be me, and are 10 or 12, when there are characters who clearly start their pokemon journies at all life stages.

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    I'll play Pokemon as an older character.
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    well keep in mind, with official games older protags or grittier story is probably never going to happen. Nintendo operates on Disney levels of control over their IPs. they are not going to change anything, they want to be squeaky clean kid friendly forever. and if you don't like that? they don't care, because your not the target audience to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    While the protags of most Pokemon games are 10-12, there have been cases where they've been older (I think Black/White was about 13/14, and my headcanon is that the MC of Sun/Moon is about that age as well). It seems that more serious and plot-heavy Pokemon games tend to get older protagonists.

    But going all serious and gritty? At that point it'll likely come off as a bad attempt to go full MegaTen, but with the disadvantages of people viewing the series as relatively lighthearted and the monster designs tending towards being cute instead of scary. And I love MegaTen,, but I also love Pokemon, and so if I want grizzled mon stuff I'll go for the former.
    Yeah, for the most part, as long as the age is vague, I don't mind, honestly. It did throw me out of things when the canonical age of the Alolan protagonists was stated in-game to be 11, though.

    And, to the OP... they did do somewhat of a different take on the formula with Wes in Colosseum, but, at the end of the day, they have a specific audience they want to cater to, and specific needs for all of their marketing departments. The games have a very specific image they uphold. I imagine they definitely could do something more along the tones of the manga, but the more "adult" (in the sense of the general experiences of the demographic) a game is, the less relatable it'll be to their core market.

    Something to note, at least, is they do at least nod to it at time. Kabu in Galar basically is making his comeback now, at his age.
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    Unless the game is suddenly different than the standard Pokemon game, I don't think it matters. I don't play for the main character, because they aren't a character. I contend no one else plays because of the main character for any Pokemon game that isn't a spin off. They also play for the Pokemon.

    So unless you did something like Tales Of: Pokemon a Telltale Game where the character had some meaningful impact on the story...what does it change?

    Also the contention a kid wouldn't play an adult is so obviously untrue I don't think anyone really needs to address it. Young kids play video games of every genre they can. That's all the evidence you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razade View Post
    Also the contention a kid wouldn't play an adult is so obviously untrue I don't think anyone really needs to address it. Young kids play video games of every genre they can. That's all the evidence you need.
    It's not so much as "kids not playing adults" that I think'd be the issue, it's that what resonates with people who have lived certain experiences doesn't hit as strongly with those who're not old enough to have them yet, is all.

    At the core, the mainline Pokémon games really tend to tell a coming of age story. Because that's something that everyone can relate to. Whether they're in the process of it, or have gone through it in the past. Could another type of story work well? Absolutely, with care and work. Is that likely to mesh with what content that all ties into the main Pokémon media everything? ...probably not. I was mostly just refuting that the world-weary/traumatized adult would be a good fit, because a lot of what the games try and sell, regardless of what it is, is discovery and wonder. And having a response of cynicism seems like not the best fit for that.
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    Default Re: Would You Play Pokemon With An Older Character?

    If I am to consider ever getting another Pokémpon game again, my concerns lie in the direction of entirely mechanical ones. Getting rid of the open world (I am increasingly less interested in more grind and the grand collectaton started to lose interest after the first time - hell, the transfer trhough Gen III onwards is the only reason I completed the Dex in III/IV/V and all-bar-the-shouting in VI) and bringing back XP share as as something you turn off and having better training battles is more important than what age the character is.

    Actually, those last two could be solved by the simple addition of DIFFICULTY SETTINGS, this novel concept that every other game (except maybe, like Dark Souls or something) seems to have heard of, but it some sort of insane moon-magic as far as GameFreak are concerned something they half-tried ONCE, after locking it behind game completion. I mean for FRACK'S SAKE Pokémon is ONLY game I've ever played where I would like it to be harder (and no, I'm not interested in that being by self-imposed difficulty, either.)

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    To be fair I think there are a couple of nonmainline games with MCs in their 20s due to following a different style of story but for various reasons I think we can assume that mainline PCs won't go higher than mid-teens (what the Black/White cast were).

    Is that to say that a game where a Gym Leader suffers a mid-life crisis and decides to go on an adventure of self-discovery is a bad idea, played seriously it could work especially if in the later stages it noticeably diverges from 'beat the Pokémon League to more mundane goals. It would have to be a smaller game due to not being something the target market for Pokémon will identify with, but small does not mean bad or unsuccessful.


    Plus yeah, bring back the option to turn off XP share and add a hard mode, I can agree with those over anything to do with the MC.
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    I may not be the best person to weigh in on this since I have only played generations 1, 2, and 7 (and was basically dragged into 7 by friends) of Pokemon, but I honestly do not care who or what the main character is. Pokemon's story is as generic as can be, and to call the characters one-dimensional would be to ascribe more personality than most of them even have. Honestly if they replaced the main character with a block of cheese it would change nothing at all.

    I guess if they decided to change that and make the game a bit more narrative-based, and then went with an older character, I would at least be curious. But if they keep the same basic story that has kept the franchise going for the last 25 years, then I don't think it'd make me any more or less likely to play the game.
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