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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    I think he intends to attempt to kill Tarvek, but knows he has to be very careful as either Gil or Agatha would simply end him if they caught him at it.
    I mean, he tried to have Tarvek killed by sending his hounds after him during the transit to England. That was what, a week ago in-universe?

    Tweedle absolutely wants to rule Europa. He has a massively domineering personality and he's spent his whole life being groomed to rule something, and as I believe it was Dimo noted, he's actually suited to the extremely rough-and-tumble world of Europan politics. At the same time, he's also smart enough to know that he can't rule Europa if the Other turns all its inhabitants into mind slaves and that at the moment he doesn't have the ability to prevent that on his own. If the Other and all her minions suddenly vanished he'd declare war on Gil the next day (which was basically what he was trying to do prior to the timeskip).

    At present Europa has three or possibly four big factions: the remaining loyalist of the Wulfenbach Empire, the servants of the Other (this may be two factions, it depends on exactly what Zola's situation is), and the adherents to the crown of the Storm King. Martellus is trying to gain complete control over that faction, but so long as Tarvek lives, that's never going to happen. Well, unless Tarvek formally renounces the title or something, which represents an interesting third path because Tarvek clearly doesn't want to be the Storm King.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechalich View Post
    ... Martellus is trying to gain complete control over that faction, but so long as Tarvek lives, that's never going to happen. Well, unless Tarvek formally renounces the title or something, which represents an interesting third path because Tarvek clearly doesn't want to be the Storm King.
    just takes someone leaking the information that Tarvek was technically dead in the „get on the slab“ episode in the castle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agi Hammerthief View Post
    just takes someone leaking the information that Tarvek was technically dead in the „get on the slab“ episode in the castle.
    I'm not sure who knows about that or, more importantly, how that could ever be proven.
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    the Vector Legion [is the IFCC's new pawns], mark my words. Way too much unfinished business there and they already know about the Gates.
    I'll take that bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I'm not sure who knows about that or, more importantly, how that could ever be proven.
    Good question, but at the end of the day, if there are at least some clues, it will simply be a matter of getting support from the nobles. Such accusations might be a simple excuse to pick a king they are more willing to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agi Hammerthief View Post
    just takes someone leaking the information that Tarvek was technically dead in the „get on the slab“ episode in the castle.
    Only 5 people know who know that Tarvek "died" (and are not in the Time Stop) are Tarvek, Agatha, Gil, Higgs and Violetta. Don't think any of them are talking.
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    The "Get on the slab" episode might be viewed as a person's heart stops during surgery but the medical team gets it going again. Also, anyone who has ever had heart surgery while on a heart-lung machine here in the real world has no heartbeat and could be construed as dead for the duration.

    I'm pretty sure what the 50 families are concerned about is keeping someone's head alive in a jar more than "heart stopped during medical procedure".

    Anyway ...

    Tarvek will become Storm King to keep Martellus from becoming Storm King, because while Tweedle has a personality suited to winning at power politics, he also has a personality suited to treating those he rules like expendable pieces of equipment. Furthermore, Agatha might find herself needing to marry someone who is a social equal to The Heterodyne - and there's a really short list of candidates for that position. Beating both Martellus AND Gil for Agatha's hand would matter a lot to Tarvek. Yes, Martellus still has delusions of recreating the story of the original storm king despite having seen up close and personal just how badly that ended the first time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    Good question, but at the end of the day, if there are at least some clues, it will simply be a matter of getting support from the nobles. Such accusations might be a simple excuse to pick a king they are more willing to follow.
    Knowing Traevek, such rumours would likely orginate from him in some elaborate scheming move.
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    Tarvek wants to keep his loved ones safe and marry Agatha, in that order. Both of these goals are expediated by becoming the Storm King. Furthermore, even if Tarvek fully renounced his claim, forged love letters to delegitimise his mother's lineage and changed his surname to Sunnypeasant, Martellus would probably still want to kill him, because he knows better than to leave a rival family member alive, no matter how small the apparent threat from them is (especially since tricking people into underestimating him is now known to have been Tarvek's MO for the last 20 years).

    From where I see it, Tarvek's options are:
    1) Kill or otherwise remove Martellus, making him the storm king by default.
    1.5) Help Gil become supreme ruler of Europa, removing the role of Storm King. Makes it harder to marry Agatha as a social issue (at odds with goal 2), plus as much as he likes Gil, I doubt he'd want to give him absolute power. That never ends well.
    2) Try to coexist with King Martellus, constantly risking the lives of him and his loved ones (at odds with goal 1).
    3) Fake his own death well enough to fool the Smoke Knights. Unless he takes Agatha with him, this is at odds with goal 2.
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    It's kind of a miracle that their world has lasted this long without being destroyed by things mankind was not meant to mess with.

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    New thread title suggestion: "I will smack all of you so hard!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    New thread title suggestion: "I will smack all of you so hard!"
    Has Von Zinzer returned?

    Edit: On second thought, Moloch would just smack them.
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    Is there an announcement that I've missed? There's a Girl Genius animated series on IMDb.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8228254/

    EDIT: After a small bit of internet sleuthing, I've come up with...nothing? The studio 's website is bare-bones, and there's nothing on the GG blog or website that I can find mentioning this. Can anyone else shed some light on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaScribe View Post
    It's kind of a miracle that their world has lasted this long without being destroyed by things mankind was not meant to mess with.
    Well, clearly smaller scale (relatively!) disasters happen all the time, which is why half of England is underwater and Oslo is just a large hole in the coastline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    The British conquered the world in search of spices and then decided to use none of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Well, clearly smaller scale (relatively!) disasters happen all the time, which is why half of England is underwater and Oslo is just a large hole in the coastline...
    Yeah, luckily for the existence of reality, its basically the top 1% sparks that come along like 2-3 a generation tops who are capable of doing things that risk on such a large scale. They also tend to be the ones who NORMALLY stay more rational than regular sparks so dont run too far off the rails like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    Yeah, luckily for the existence of reality, its basically the top 1% sparks that come along like 2-3 a generation tops who are capable of doing things that risk on such a large scale. They also tend to be the ones who NORMALLY stay more rational than regular sparks so dont run too far off the rails like this
    As a hypothesis, sparks that can destroy reality but lack good risk management skills are the ones that destroy themselves early on - their first creation does them in, or the Baron or Othar or some other established power says "Nope. This one's got to go".

    Concur that "I will smack all of you so hard!" is a thread title candidate.

    Agatha in panel #4 is truly terrifying in her total lack of fear, if you take my meaning.
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    Ah, priorities.
    Of course discussing what exactly your catastrophic failure will entail is a higher one than actually preventing it.
    After all everyone needs to be on the same page regarding how bad bad is.
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    If you don't define exactly what you are preventing, how can you stop it?
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    New thread title suggestion: "I will smack all of you so hard!"
    Duly noted.

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    Has Von Zinzer returned?

    Edit: On second thought, Moloch would just smack them.
    That was my immediate reaction, but Violetta looks more like Moloch in "mad panic" mode than in "keeping sparks (mostly) in order" mode. But she does seem to have inherited the skills...
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    I really would like this experiment to conclude already. The technobabble isngetting painful (in my opinion).
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    the Vector Legion [is the IFCC's new pawns], mark my words. Way too much unfinished business there and they already know about the Gates.
    I'll take that bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjp1050 View Post
    Is there an announcement that I've missed? There's a Girl Genius animated series on IMDb.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8228254/

    EDIT: After a small bit of internet sleuthing, I've come up with...nothing? The studio 's website is bare-bones, and there's nothing on the GG blog or website that I can find mentioning this. Can anyone else shed some light on this?
    They ran a Kickstarter for this a few months ago. Go back to one of the strips in, oh, August and read the noted Kaja puts below the comic.

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    With this one, I'm beginning to think that maybe "Kill all the sparks" was the right idea. I mean, the idea of one spark, in one room, doing something so extreme that it shunts all of the earth into another reality, why, that sounds like the premise of an anime series (or 20 :-)
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    Heh, I just started re-reading an older fanfic, Spark of Genius because I did an archive binge of this comic. Xander dresses up for halloween as the grandchild of agatha, gil, othar, and der kestle (its girl genius, they found a way) And gets sucked into a portal that drops him off in the DC universe. Its kinda hilarious how fast a super spark can throw even such a high powered setting off the rails. Its still the first third of the fic and he has already broken into the batcave to steal the headless amazo robot, gotten himself enough nth metal that using SCIENCE he has made himself immune to magic and now can fly, be super fast, etc etc etc. Oh, and dealt with one of the batman versus dracula storylines, he isnt sure which it would have been as he wasnt willing to sit back and risk it being one of the bad outcomes. Too bad its abandoned, it was a lot of fun. And thats not even close to all of the crazy stuff he has already done by this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keybounce View Post
    With this one, I'm beginning to think that maybe "Kill all the sparks" was the right idea. I mean, the idea of one spark, in one room, doing something so extreme that it shunts all of the earth into another reality, why, that sounds like the premise of an anime series (or 20 :-)
    It's tempting, but I think the Spark is like hemophilia. Roughly one third of babies born with the gene seem to have it as a mutation. Apparently, it's just a way human genes are prone to breaking.

    So, my guess is a fair number of sparks are the same. While the trait obviously runs in families, it also appears spontaneously. Killing all sparks wouldn't remove the trait, it would simply eliminate all the sparks who have learned to train young sparks to be less of a threat to the fabric of the universe.

    Also, on the plus side, sparks who survive past the "I will show them all!" phase (the common last entry in many a new spark's diary) seem to be pretty good at bending the laws of physic so their crazy idea DOESN'T blow up the planet, even if it really should.

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    Vozzler got twonged.

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    We need to get Violetta a bucket of water. Connected to a fire hydrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    They ran a Kickstarter for this a few months ago.'; Go back to one of the strips in, oh, August and read the noted Kaja puts below the comic.
    That's a new GG computer game, "Adventures in Castle Heterodyne" not a series. The series thing on the IMDB appears to be a bit of vaporware that's been floating around for years now.

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    it should have gone "boink!"
    It's "locksmith of LOVE!" not "LO!"

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    Violetta saves the world!
    Also, unless I'm much mistaken, she told Gil and Tarvek to stop flirting with each other. Menage a trois, is menagable?
    Agatha in the penultimate panel is very much Scary Madgirl Spark Agatha.

    "As for not dooming the earth - well - that's more of a lifetime goal, actually" might be too long for a thread title, but it does sum up Agatha's lifestyle choices pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    "As for not dooming the earth - well - that's more of a lifetime goal, actually" might be too long for a thread title, but it does sum up Agatha's lifestyle choices pretty well.
    dooming the earth on the other hand is more of a „long weekend“ project.
    * my emphasis

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