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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFlipp View Post
    Hey, I just finished a re-read of the archives, and I had a question about whether a particular thing has been addressed, and it feels like something other fans would have picked up on too.
    Yes, but remember that initially that Der Kestle was fragmented. Central probably had no means of communication because that was attached to a disconnected subsystem. And don't forget that The Kitchen was able to communicate and control, for example.

    The Throne would be a direct interface into the central Kestle mind. And, presumably, there would be additional functions of the Seneschal that would require a direct neural interface.
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    Maybe it's to prove Mechanicsburg stands with the new Heterodyne?
    Considering how important the city is to the Heterodynes- that undying loyalty goes both ways after all -a Heterodyne who lacks the support of the city (and thus has the Seneschal interfacing with the Castle for them might be useful to keep the line going, but they couldn't be the Heterodyne.
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    Another thing to consider is that Castle Heterodyne has become significantly more powerful over the past fifteen years. It's possible that it originally couldn't speak to anyone outside of the Castle, save through the use of the avatar machine in the crypts.
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    This also may be less about using the seneschal to communicate and more about synergy. When directly linked to the castle he can do far more with it faster and easier than just by asking it to do things. But yeah, may also be a bit of a plot hole, though one easily patched with hand waving like in this thread.
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    All good explanations!

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    Another explanation: trepanning is a "super user" credential. You allow the Castle direct access to your brain, and if you are there with malicious intent - well, you allow the Castle direct access to your brain.
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    Trepanning connection is direct console access for a privileged few.

    This could a minor subsystem talking to her now. We've seen plenty of those so far.

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    As far as the castle talking outside itself goes, the snippets of history we've gotten seem to indicate that's a relatively recent phenomenon. Controlling the town's defenses, yes, talking to people while it happens, not so much.

    As an aside... Baron Wulfenbach has noted that every woman he's ever met who had the spark has tried to kill him.

    We later find out that he had a 'beautiful, doomed romance' with Albia.

    ... how did she fail to kill him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeChameleon View Post
    As an aside... Baron Wulfenbach has noted that every woman he's ever met who had the spark has tried to kill him.

    We later find out that he had a 'beautiful, doomed romance' with Albia.

    ... how did she fail to kill him?
    Perhaps she didn't start trying to kill him until after he had left England.
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    Perhaps she didn't start trying to kill him until after he had left England.
    Or she stopped after he seduced her.
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    Or he got a running start, possibly due to the aid of Bill and Barry.

    Anyway, albino alligators in the sewers!

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    called it

    Edit: not the alligators, the pretending to be shut down
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    Acknowledging plot armor - Professora, does it occur to you that YOU may be part of the show the Castle wants to watch? And maybe in a starring but not recurring role?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Acknowledging plot armor - Professora, does it occur to you that YOU may be part of the show the Castle wants to watch? And maybe in a starring but not recurring role?
    The first is outright stated by Der Kestle.

    And she's probably already planning to run as far away as possible at the rate things are going.
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    Der Kestle claims that this is its first Solstace.

    At first, I thought, yes - because it was rebuilt by Agatha after being completely shut down. But she restarted it with a part of the castle that had been transferred into Otilia's body. Surely it had seen other Solstaces.

    Unless, of course, it is just talking about the joining in. In which case the question is who the "they" were, and how (and indeed, why) the castle was barred from the show before. Probably the Heterodynes and a direct order.
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    As it explicitly states, it would immediately destroy anybody who threatens the Heterodyne. Of course it's not allowed to function for a ritual that involves a mob trying to chase down and lynch the Heterodyne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    Unless, of course, it is just talking about the joining in. In which case the question is who the "they" were, and how (and indeed, why) the castle was barred from the show before. Probably the Heterodynes and a direct order.
    The Castle and the Professora said why it's shut down during the Solstice.
    It would stop the whole event.
    The hunt and definitely any more dangerous parts of the ritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    Der Kestle claims that this is its first Solstace.

    At first, I thought, yes - because it was rebuilt by Agatha after being completely shut down. But she restarted it with a part of the castle that had been transferred into Otilia's body. Surely it had seen other Solstaces.
    Thing is, that unless the Castle in that particular body had been around for a Solstice, it wouldn't have a chance at seeing the event. Since before the whole mess with the transfer and attack, it was the ruling Heterodyne that participated in it. Meaning the order to shut down carried weight, unlike this time (and during all the previous heterodyneless celebrations the Castle was broken).
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    The Tradition appears pretty clear

    The Heterodyne orders the Castle to shut down, and it does. Apparently it's overriding directive to preserve the heterodyne line doesn't apply if it doesn't percieve an imminent and definite threat. It's allowed to let the Heterodynes RISK themselves, just not DIE. In the town, where it could intervene, it would have to were it not disabled.

    The Jaegers are distracted, for the same reason. They're kept in the dark about the whole thing because, unlike the Castle, they have free will and can't be ordered to ignore it.

    If Agatha had given the order, the Castle would have shut down for the night. However, were Agatha being chased, the Castle would be obligated to intervene with the Torchmen (or even just Alerting the Jaegers).

    As there is no Heterodyne involved, the Castle is under no obligations, and it can do whatever it sees fit to let things play out.

    The question is, in the "Touristy" version of this, does the Actor-Heterodyne get chased? or is he smart enough to not put on the crown.
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    I'm finding this little story oddly interesting...
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    This one and Ivo are by far my favorite of the side stories.

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    It makes sense

    The Foglio's true talent is in fun pulpy worldbuilding and stories centered around a cool concept.

    The weakness of Girl Genius is that they try to apply those skills/inclinations to an overarching story, leading to frustratingly slow pacing as the story has to stop for 30 pages so Agatha and CO can learn about the Immortal Library or whatever.

    These side-stories don't need to be advancing the main plot, or any of the countless subplots the story is juggling, so they get to be smooth, well-paced, and focused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRC View Post
    The question is, in the "Touristy" version of this, does the Actor-Heterodyne get chased? or is he smart enough to not put on the crown.
    I think they skip that part. Everyone was very surprised the professora was willing to go through the entire ritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narkis View Post
    I think they skip that part. Everyone was very surprised the professora was willing to go through the entire ritual.
    I think they were surprised the -CASTLE- chimed in...
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    Indeed the Castle has never had the chance to participate in a "real" Solstice celebration due to being shut down by the Heterodyne, ostensibly for re-calibration but most likely because it would interfere in the Heterodyne having some real dangerous "fun". Letting them and the townsfolk let off some steam and get out some aggressions. In the Touristy version I wouldn't be surprised if the ritual ended with the end of the parade.

    I agree, of all the side stories this has been one of my favorite. It's expanding on the history and lore of the Heterodynes in an amusing way, and as much as the Castle story seemed to drag while reading it as it was being written (it's not so bad reading it all at once), it's fun to meet up with the deadly rascal again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sihnfahl View Post
    I think they were surprised the -CASTLE- chimed in...
    They don't know about the Castle not being asleep. It says as much in the last panel of the latest page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divayth Fyr View Post
    They don't know about the Castle not being asleep. It says as much in the last panel of the latest page.
    I'm referring to the page here.

    They seem a bit ... taken aback that the Castle responded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sihnfahl View Post
    I'm referring to the page here.

    They seem a bit ... taken aback that the Castle responded.
    And also very relieved that it went along with the ruse and didn't do... anything... to them.
    As they say, "When Agatha's away, The Castle will play!"

    (well, the Castle probably says that, heh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sihnfahl View Post
    I'm referring to the page here.

    They seem a bit ... taken aback that the Castle responded.
    I'm reminded of Van's response when Von Zinzer pointed out the fully operational Kessel was about to cut loose during the siege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    I'm reminded of Van's response when Von Zinzer pointed out the fully operational Kessel was about to cut loose during the siege.
    Not just fully operational. Upgraded with the help of the most whacked-out sparks Wulfenbach could stuff in there.

    Who happily went along with Der Kestle's suggestions for upgrades because SCIENCE!
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