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2021-01-05, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
And is there any evidence that the Mirror on that page was present in the area that would become Mechanicsburg at the time the first Heterodyne? Or that there was a Queen there instead of something else? Also the entity on the last panel certainly does not resemble any Queen we have seen before. Not everything is about Queens you know.
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2021-01-05, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
It's in Mechanicsburg now, but where was it a thousand years ago? We don't know. We do know that it wasn't where it is now, though, because now it's in the Red Cathedral, which was built by one of the Heterodynes and thus didn't exist a thousand years ago. It's entirely possible that some Heterodyne found it somewhere and brought it back to Mechanicsburg.
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2021-01-05, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Not entirely. It's entirely possible that the Red Cathederal was built around/above the gate. After all, it's in the Crypts underneath the cathedral which could predate the structure built by one of the Hetrodynes.
EDIT: For the record, I don't think there's enough evidence to draw conclusions either way. I'd also mention that it's possible one of the Hetrodynes built a mirror from scratch.Last edited by Thomas Cardew; 2021-01-05 at 04:12 PM.
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2021-01-05, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
What kind of evidence would you expect? Albia and possibly the Other are the only characters who were alive back then and they aren't talking.
Or that there was a Queen there instead of something else?
Also the entity on the last panel certainly does not resemble any Queen we have seen before.
Not everything is about Queens you know.
It's likely than one of the Jägers would have mentionned it by now, if only because the place that they'd have pilfered it from could hold informations about their working.
Yup and let's not forget that Lucrezia stated that Albia had a "power source", the Dyne could very well have been another Queen's.Forum Wisdom
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2021-01-05, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
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2021-01-05, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Or it was an acquisition that wasn't mentioned to them, since they were rather busy with the murder and mayhem right then. As Mr Cardew said, we don't have enough information to say.
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2021-01-05, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
We don't have a clear timeline of course, but the creation of the Jägers is the first thing mentionned after the reing of the original Heterodyne so that's a ratjer narrow margin.
It's possible but one would think they'd notice it. Higgs especially since he was an important test subject to the one who created the Jägers in the first place (Vlad the Blasphemous) and stayed important throughout up to becoming the Spymaster.Forum Wisdom
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2021-01-05, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Again, as I pointed out, the existence of a mirror there doesnt prove anything because martellus and his family also had one and nobody suggested they were descended from this group of ancient queens. Its not proof either way because just as it could easily be the site of a former queen, it could just as easily be the spoils of one of the MANY heterodyne conquests over the centuries. Didnt the museum in england have a broken one as well? Can someone skilled at archive trawling find out? I seem to recall it being there and I dont think it was albias old one.
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2021-01-05, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
The one in the museum was from a icebound temple high in the high alps.
The mirrors are very old, like, geologically old. When Gil and Trelawney go to the Henge, Lady Astarte says the memory is 'Before Britain! Before the Channel!' Assuming a rough confluence of geologic history between our Earth and that of Girl Genius, that means the mirrors existed more than 10,000 years in the past, when the conclusion of the Devensian glaciation formed the most recent iteration of the English Channel.
The conclusion of the most recent glaciation caused a lot of geological changes, and the logical locations for placing a human society changed as a consequence of shifts in the landscape. That means mirrors that were not moved are probably no longer in locations where it makes sense for a civilization center to be. Heck, quite a few of them are probably under water as a consequence of the post-ice age rise in sea level.
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2021-01-05, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
The mirrors also looked very different. Albia's in the vision, the relocated in Londonium, and the Mechanicsburg one all look visually similarly. They are mostly made of stone with glyphs on the sides. The Martellus one was mostly metal and its control rig had large bulbs etc, making it more likely to have been reversed engineered while the others seem more standardized.
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2021-01-06, 12:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Good point. I'd missed that.
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2021-01-06, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Not sure, but the trepidation is back. A couple strips ago I was thinking maybe all the Professora was in for was a night of drunkenness and having to find her own way home. Last comic I was worried that whatever was next, she would not be Heterodyne enough for it. But now ... if this thing doesn't actually know the difference (and it's not the Castle, after all)... I wonder if she might be in real trouble.
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2021-01-06, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
She is officially biting off more than she can chew.
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2021-01-06, 03:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
You know I thought it was weird that the Mecanicsburgers didn't warn her about this but it's likely that this hadn't happened before because the Doom Bell hadn't rung.
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2021-01-06, 04:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
But take a look at the page were Klaus goes through one. It looks mechanical, but very different than the one that Agatha, Tweedle and the rest went through. An a related note the Queens did not make the Mirrors, and are even older than the Queens are. They in fact don't know how they work. There's another shot of Klaus going through a Mirror earlier in the comic I'm going to try and find it.
And the child here is clearly not a Queen. As others have said, the Prof has bitten off much more than she can chew.Member of the Giants in the Playground Forum Chapter for the Movement to Reunite Gondwana!
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2021-01-06, 04:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 04:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Only the young Mechanicsburgers weren't around the last time the Doom Bell rang prior to Agatha's ascension, and the older ones have been around for a lot of celebrations with Doom Bell ringing under previous Heterodynes, so that can't be it.
Whatever is going on is (barring a bizarre coincidence) part of the full experience that the town elders were desperately trying to head off when talking to the castle, though how many of the details they know of is a good guess.
With everybody else apparently gone, is Agatha even in Mechanicsburg as we know it at the moment? Parallel dimension? Weird out-of-the-body New Year celebration mind game machine created by earlier Heterodyne? Something even weirder than that?
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2021-01-06, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
You misunderstand me. I mean to say that the elders don't warning the professora about this part (and their belief that she only need to pass from a distance) means this had never happened with their previois stand-ins (and that the previous Heterodynes never told them about what happens during thzir walk home, but that we already knew). The apparition mistook the Professora for the genuine article but not Rattlegat. Why? What's different this time? Well this is the first solstice since the Doom Bell Rang which it hadn't for years. Hence for the first time whatever this is expected a genuine, Kestle-certified Heterodyne to lead the revelry.
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2021-01-06, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
To inspire atrocities that even a Heterodyne could not conceive unaided?
That bit about Grandfather Death does not sound safe.
Put me down for "That little girl is not a little girl." She looks ... fey? And that the crown must be taken and put on her head with her own hands sounds magical, not steampunk. We may be in for a smidge of genre-bending.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2021-01-06, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Alternative wild mass guessing - best case scenario:
It is the Heterodyne's time to "take the blame" for all that has been done in the name of Mechanicsburg during the festival. The "Well done!" is because the Professora has managed to limit the damage to a Doctor in a fountain and some fire - she managed it without, you know, mass immolations, random deaths, razing of cities etc. on her hands. (Not that she can really take the credit for limiting the damage - it properly belongs to the changed culture of the town since the Boys and Klaus, plus Agatha - but for now, She Is The Heterodyne.)I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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2021-01-06, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Yeah this sounds a lot like an atonement ritual is about to start. A way to show everything the heterodyne has done, good and bad, and remind them that they are the ones responsible, even if the acts were carried out by their people instead. Even without direct orders because everything the people of mechanicsburg do, is for the heterodyne. "See now the price of your power. See now the cost of your actions. See now what your choices have wrought." It may be a way they keep themselves even slightly grounded because every year they have to face the consequences of their actions good and bad.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2021-01-06, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
I see it more as a scapegoat ritual - the blame is explicitly being transferred to the Heterodyne. I don't really see how the Heterodyne (the old ones, at least) would care too much about "See now the price of your power. See now the cost of your actions. See now what your choices have wrought.". Well, apart from as experimental results, perhaps.
But yes, I do see this as being for the sake of the townsfolk rather than being for the Heterodyne.
EDIT: Let's see what the game is. I don't think it will be Candyland...Last edited by Manga Shoggoth; 2021-01-06 at 11:42 AM.
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2021-01-06, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Maybe a hunt or something like that?
The question is would the Heterodyne be hunter or hunted in this ritual.
In any case I expect it will the kind of game where „All in“ means All in.
I mean, an really old ritual? One the Old Heterodynes followed?
Yeah, kinda thinking along the sacrifice angle here.
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2021-01-06, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVIII: Dancink! Ve is here for de dancink!
Nope - it looks like Grandfather Death is an old name for Death - Ivo uses it as well. Not clear whether it is a common name for Death or just local to Mechanicsburg.
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"The main skill of a good ruler seems to be not preventing the conflagrations but rather keeping them contained enough they rate more as campfires." Rogar Demonblud
"Hold on just a d*** second. UK has spam callers that try to get you to buy conservatories?!? Even y'alls spammers are higher class than ours!" Peelee
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2021-01-06, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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