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    Krosp may have been Vapnoodle's final achievement, but that is not the same as crowning. He created Krosp while already a prisoner, so probably had access to fewer materials, fewer animals, less time, and so on. And Krosp told Agatha early on that he was considered a failure and was lucky to not be destroyed.

    It remains to be seen whether or not the femKrosp is as smart and useful as Krosp is, or just becomes a way to not need Agatha's touch.

    The fact that the femKrosp means Martellus does not need Agatha to my mind means that Martellus is going to leave Agatha's party after this next arc and return to his evil ways of total evil behavior.

    Seffie really likes cats. The cat will probably wind up with more allegiance to Seffie than to Martellus, which is another indication that for a uber-Spark Tweedle is pretty dumb.
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    I think it's very telling abut the personalities of Seffie and Tweedle in how they refer to the cat. Seffie says "her" immediately. Tweedle refers to the cat as an "it" which I suspect is how he tends to look at nearly everyone else. They are things, tools to be used. Yeah, Tweedle is a monster through and through.
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    Heh. I just realized that this means the best way for Tweedle to keep the effects of the Kings Touch at bay is to sit in a chair and give the cat scratches. No doubt the cat approves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theangelJean View Post
    Odds on Miss Cat staying as close to him as necessary?

    I mean, he may have replicated his Master's work (or not - he may just have made a talking cat without the leadership abilities. He's certainly not giving her copious amounts of reading material. And apparently the shiny thing is important too). But his main aim was another function entirely - for which a weasel who just looooves you is ideal - yet he chose a cat. IMHO he chose poorly.
    Pretty much my first thought.
    You need something that will stick close to you, listen when you call it and come when you need it.
    And you use a cat.

    I mean, it's not the worst choice- not aquatic, no venom, no spines or stuff -but, yeah, pretty much anything else'd be a better pick.

    And if you absolutely have no other choice at least give your new best friend a good reason to help you when you need her.

    The way he's acting towards her the most likely reaction to Tweedle needing a poke from Miss Kitty will be „Huh. Creator doesn't look good. I better make can opener Seffie give me some tuna.”

    Okay, that's the most likely reaction anyway, but there's no reason to push it into the triple digits.
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    A cat's priorities (not in order of importance, for they are all equally important):

    Food provider (Krosp: "Food Lady!")
    Scritchies
    Comfortable lap for napping

    We've already seen Martellus fail one of these, and I'm going to provisionally award a second to Seffie as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    A cat's priorities (not in order of importance, for they are all equally important):

    Food provider (Krosp: "Food Lady!")
    Scritchies
    Comfortable lap for napping

    We've already seen Martellus fail one of these, and I'm going to provisionally award a second to Seffie as well.
    I don't see Tweedle winning a consolation participation price in either of those categories, not with his showing so far.
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    Really Tweedle? A cat? A female cat? And Krosp is quite literally the King of Cats?

    Yeah, that's is going to work out just great for you. Seems like you're inadvertently
    making Krosp a potential Queen and tying yourself to her.

    In other news, it sounds like he's going to make another attempt on Tarvek's life and possibly make it look like an accident. How else can he "secure his claim to the throne".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zazu Yen View Post
    Really Tweedle? A cat? A female cat? And Krosp is quite literally the King of Cats?

    Yeah, that's is going to work out just great for you. Seems like you're inadvertently
    making Krosp a potential Queen and tying yourself to her.

    In other news, it sounds like he's going to make another attempt on Tarvek's life and possibly make it look like an accident. How else can he "secure his claim to the throne".
    Or maybe he is advertently making Krosp a potential queen with the goal of tying Krosp to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    Or maybe he is advertently making trying to make Krosp a potential queen with the goal of tying Krosp to him.
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    isn’t that the cat from earlier that recognized Krosp as king?
    if that was on a genetic level no amount of added brain will help to delete it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agi Hammerthief View Post
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    isn’t that the cat from earlier that recognized Krosp as king?
    if that was on a genetic level no amount of added brain will help to delete it.
    As was proven with Krosp himself here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Krosp may have been Vapnoodle's final achievement, but that is not the same as crowning. He created Krosp while already a prisoner, so probably had access to fewer materials, fewer animals, less time, and so on. And Krosp told Agatha early on that he was considered a failure and was lucky to not be destroyed.
    Tweedle states that the intended leader/ruler of the Bears was to be Vapnoople's Masterpiece. Incidentally, the dialogue also suggest the work started before Baron got to the Doctor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divayth Fyr View Post
    Tweedle states that the intended leader/ruler of the Bears was to be Vapnoople's Masterpiece. Incidentally, the dialogue also suggest the work started before Baron got to the Doctor...
    One of the old cast pages hinted that Kris might have been built before the baron started coring Dr dim's brain. Okay, so it actually implied that he had been built mid brain-core, but I suspect that it was hiding the truth by implying the converse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    One of the old cast pages hinted that Kris might have been built before the baron started coring Dr dim's brain. Okay, so it actually implied that he had been built mid brain-core, but I suspect that it was hiding the truth by implying the converse.
    My interpretation is that Dr. Dim did the underlying work of "animal construct with fully human intelligence, who will command all his lesser creations" before being taken by the Baron, but ended up having to apply that science to the creation of a cat monarch both due to his diminishing capabilities and as a ploy to keep the Baron from realizing what Dr. Dim was creating.

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    This actually puts Martellus is a more positive light to me, because I suspected (back when Krosp and that female cat were shown) that he was going to use the female cat to somehow control Krosp and either wrestle control of the bears or use it to manipulate Agatha. Now, he might still do that, I admit, but this shows a much more... nice or at least reasonable motivation: to have a creature that emulates the 'Touch of the King' and thus lets him live away from Agatha if they can't undo the process.

    So, just that it isn't obviously something evil and manipulative seems a point in his favor.

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    Martellus is going to wind up in the thrall of Krosp via this kitty. That is what will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divayth Fyr View Post
    Tweedle states that the intended leader/ruler of the Bears was to be Vapnoople's Masterpiece. Incidentally, the dialogue also suggest the work started before Baron got to the Doctor...
    That's easy to navigate. The bear army came first, and always meant to be culminated in a masterpiece creature. Then Krosp was created -- a masterpiece of misbegotten genius and a failure, but only after the fat. And only a failure in design, not in execution, as krosp is exactly what he was built to be.

    Also in many ways Krosp WAS Vapnoodle's masterpiece, He's the Vapnoodle creation that finally transcended Vapnoodle. And he was also the Vapnoodle creation that revived his master's mind. From a creative standpoint Krosp is a complete work of genius -- a little vapid and arrogant but highly functional and even clever in his own way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imgran View Post
    TAnd he was also the Vapnoodle creation that revived his master's mind.
    What? Kosp didn't "revive" his creators mind. That was done by Karl. And Kosp always though of Vapnoople as "Papa" not "Master" and has proven that he's is independent from him by attacking him to save Agatha and calling him a nut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imgran View Post
    And he was also the Vapnoodle creation that revived his master's mind.
    Really? That's not how I remember it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zazu Yen View Post
    Really Tweedle? A cat? A female cat? And Krosp is quite literally the King of Cats?

    Yeah, that's is going to work out just great for you. Seems like you're inadvertently making Krosp a potential Queen and tying yourself to her.
    And how many tales do we have of a King being brought down by a woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Knight View Post
    And how many tales do we have of a King being brought down by a woman?
    Well, Krosp was shown dancing with the ladies of the court as a prelude to this, so that could be foreshadowing him being susceptible... It's certainly going to set up a power struggle between them, I'm just fairly certain Krosp will come out on top in a battle of wits with Tweedle.
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    A dead drunk goose could win a battle of wits with Tweedle.

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    Y'all definitely know more GG lore than I do, but what exactly is making us think Martellus is dumb? I haven't done a full analysis, but from what I remember of his behavior I would describe him as arrogant and ruthless, but not dumb.

    He's been the butt of a few jokes at the hands of Gil, Tarvek, and Agatha, but Gil and Tarvek both have " views everyone else as imbeciles" as a defining trait, and as for Agatha, the comic is literally called Girl Genius.

    When not compared to those three I feel like we've seen him be competent and efficient, and notably able to wield non-sparky power and authority much more effectively than most sparks we've seen. Even the Jaegers respected him in the Paris fight, IIRC.

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    Martellus is smart about some things. His Sparky science, certainly, and he's a lethal fighter and ruthless in his pursuit of power.
    But then he goes and botches "The Touch of the King" and winds up needing Agatha alive and nearby when there's a few good reasons to kill her.
    He winds up in England with no allies except a non-spark non-fighter (Seffie) and a whole bunch of people who refrain from killing him only because he's momentarily useful. And under those circumstances, he's still plotting to kill Tarvek (my interpretation), despite the fact that Albia can very likely read his mind if she puts out the effort.

    He's brave and Sparky and lethal. He doesn't always think things through.
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    Case in point, the whole 'Zola as fake Heterodyne' scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Case in point, the whole 'Zola as fake Heterodyne' scheme.
    Was that Martellus' idea, or one of the Knights of Jove, or some other Sturmvarous?
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    Before England, there was no reason to see Tweedle as incapable. He was a tough opponent who had been bested by Agatha, as many others had been, but still was at large and dangerous. After he showed up with his self-made problem, however, he became much harder to take seriously.

    At the same time, I think that he generally is insensitive, rather than stupid. Like not getting girlie things that he doesn't care about anyway. Or being rude with the muse; that one bordered on stupidity.

    Looking back, he is a massive risk-taker. He would have bet for killing Gil rather than running away, he tried an extreme procedure that altered his own chemical balance to bind Agatha, he entered besieged Mechanicsburg, he meleed the Storm King... Only the last one went really well. The other two bets he lost, and Mechanicsburg ended inconclusively (he lost a hand and two years, but those were the years when Gil was hunting his Order, and he temporarily got Agatha as a prisoner).

    He also seems to be at ease with and maybe even like war, and that could be why Tarvek spoke so badly of him, and why the Jaeger like him. The Baron went to war to enforce peace and end squabbles, so out of a necessity that would benefit others, while Martellus would go (or goes) to impose his right and gain glory and power for himself. This would be a very negative trait.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened, if Martellus hadn't taken Agatha away. Agatha would have been stuck in the time-frozen city. Once Gil had found a way to get close to her, the Klaus overlay would have killed her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Looking back, he is a massive risk-taker. He would have bet for killing Gil rather than running away, he tried an extreme procedure that altered his own chemical balance to bind Agatha, he entered besieged Mechanicsburg, he meleed the Storm King... Only the last one went really well.
    And even that only worked because The Master was there to melt Andronicus's weapons.. after Tweedle brought one of them into the battle.

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    I just realized:

    Part 2 is 8 years old.

    The whole thing is 18 years old.

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