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    I think it was in comic commentary that the eldest celebrated a significant birthday recently, and is writing his own comics. There might also have been a comment about it in the Discord interview.
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    He's 18, and so can now be known as Victor. Experiment #2 is still underage.

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    Gil, that was a nasty trick you should have used on Tweedle. Krosp won't learn anything about respecting other people's food, as he is a cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    He's brave and Sparky and lethal. He doesn't always think things through.
    Recklessness is certainly Martellus's fatal flaw. But he is very politically savvy and cunning, so I think calling him dumb is inaccurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    He winds up in England with no allies except a non-spark non-fighter (Seffie) and a whole bunch of people who refrain from killing him only because he's momentarily useful. And under those circumstances, he's still plotting to kill Tarvek (my interpretation), despite the fact that Albia can very likely read his mind if she puts out the effort.
    To be fair to Martellus, his current predicament stems solely from the King's Touch fiasco - if he hadn't done it in the first place, he wouldn't be in England. And assuming Tarvek's death is his current motive - which I don't think he's in any position to pull off, as he's struggling just to stay relevant right now - I doubt he'd be foolish enough to attempt a high-profile assassination right under the nose of a god-queen.

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    "Thanks, chump!"

    Is Zeetha about to make a connection? (Probably not - that's more than tenuous - but it might be enough to plant the seed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoeticallyPsyco View Post
    "Thanks, chump!"

    Is Zeetha about to make a connection? (Probably not - that's more than tenuous - but it might be enough to plant the seed).
    Zeetha knows what a chump is and it's clear she knows that Gil is her bother. For some reason she is going out of her way not to let Gil know it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    Zeetha knows what a chump is and it's clear she knows that Gil is her bother. For some reason she is going out of her way not to let Gil know it though.
    Why is it clear? Would we even know, weren't it for external information?
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Martellus is smart about some things. His Sparky science, certainly, and he's a lethal fighter and ruthless in his pursuit of power.
    But then he goes and botches "The Touch of the King" and winds up needing Agatha alive and nearby when there's a few good reasons to kill her.
    He winds up in England with no allies except a non-spark non-fighter (Seffie) and a whole bunch of people who refrain from killing him only because he's momentarily useful. And under those circumstances, he's still plotting to kill Tarvek (my interpretation), despite the fact that Albia can very likely read his mind if she puts out the effort.

    He's brave and Sparky and lethal. He doesn't always think things through.
    The thing with Agatha was an offshoot of the original plan. His family setup the zola deal to have a "heterodyne" the storm king could marry to give them legitimacy in the eyes of the people, because thats what the setup was for the original storm king. When he did the touch of the king thing, I dont believe he was aware of the time skip yet so he was enforcing the plan by enslaving the actual heterodyne to his will. He literally threw it together overnight with one hand cut off, so its not surprising there are bugs with it. Not that he would have likely noticed for a long time had she not managed to escape. As for being stuck in england, I dont think that was his choice. Im pretty sure seffie put him in stasis and dragged him to england to get to agatha. Im really not sure why she didnt bring any of his people with him, maybe to keep his infirmity a secret? And he kind of HAS to kill tarvek. if word gets around that someone with a superior claim to the throne is there and also wants the throne, it will make things very very messy. (doubly so since he has a connection to the heterodyne)

    His greatest strengths are political games backed by overwhelming lethality. He sees things in big power moves rather than subtlety. Hence the whole show in paris where he had the big plan thrown together to establish his right to the throne backed by a sparky parade celebration, or getting one of the popes to back him to put pressure on the corbittes. We also see that he personally is a very lethal man both in dealing with the attempts on his life by his family, and dealing with gil and bang who, while loopy from lack of sleep, is still a very dangerous and deadly woman. He doesnt really use clanks, he does biological sparky weapons which makes him fairly unique among sparks as his first response isnt to build a death ray or giant robot, its to genetically engineer a solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Why is it clear? Would we even know, weren't it for external information?
    Here and here are couple examples. The first is Zeetha referencing techniques leaned in Skif. The other is Zeetha being nervous that Gil might remember something. It's not stated clearly, but there is a lot of subtext to what Zeetha does and how she acts around Gil. Also to be sure Zeetha does know for certain Klaus is her father and he knows Zeetha is his kid. But for some reason Klaus isn't telling Gil about it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    Here and here are couple examples. The first is Zeetha referencing techniques leaned in Skif. The other is Zeetha being nervous that Gil might remember something. It's not stated clearly, but there is a lot of subtext to what Zeetha does and how she acts around Gil. Also to be sure Zeetha does know for certain Klaus is her father and he knows Zeetha is his kid. But for some reason Klaus isn't telling Gil about it all.
    While I don't get where this certainty is coming from (novels?), it is very odd that Zeetha, knowing that Klaus even speaks Skifandrian, isn't asking Gil to have someone search in his papers for the location of Skifander. So she might know more than she allows Gil (and anyone else?) to know.

    The impression I got here, however, is that Klaus thinks that Zeetha is an assassin sent to kill Gil, no need for her to be his sister (unless there's a specific Skifandrian law about it). However, he probably would have wondered about her being his daughter, if only because he knew it was possible.
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    It makes you wonder how common green hair is in Skifander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    It makes you wonder how common green hair is in Skifander.
    Good question, I had assumed that it was ubiquitous. Zeetha's trinkets are also interesting, and, if they were rare, they'd give Klaus a good hint. Was there any mention of the swords being heirlooms?
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    I thought Tom Bombadil dreadful but worse still was the announcer's preliminary remarks that Goldberry was his daughter (!), and that Willowman was an ally of Mordor (!!).

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    See here...

    The missing part to all this is that the Skifandrans think twins are unlucky, and the implication is that when Klaus fled Skifander he was doing it to keep Gil alive. So, when he discovers a Skifandran with Agatha He thought Zeetha might have been sent to kill Gill.

    Of course, Zeetha hadn't, and she has spent long enough outside Skifander to lose the "twins = bad" part of the equation, and by the time she meets Gil she is just thinking in terms of "Hey - little brother!"

    Klaus intended to tell Gil what was going on afterwards, but afterwards never had a chance to materialise.

    EDIT: In the novel it is clear (more so than in the comic) that Klaus doesn't want to kill Zeetha, so it is very likley that he knows who Zeetha is to him.
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    New comic is up and yup Krosp is a cat 100% confirmed. From personal experience, my cats aren't quite so daring to eat a sandwich out of my hands while I'm still eating it, but they also aren't bipedal or as sapient/intelligent as Krosp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    See here...
    This whole conversation between Klaus and Gil is one of my favorite scenes in the comics. Specifically the page you linked with Gil going all "What did you do?" and earlier the Baron pondering if all the female sparks trying to kill him might have been his fault. Their exchange about Bang at the end was also nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    This whole conversation between Klaus and Gil is one of my favorite scenes in the comics. Specifically the page you linked with Gil going all "What did you do?" and earlier the Baron pondering if all the female sparks trying to kill him might have been his fault. Their exchange about Bang at the end was also nice.
    Actually, the last panel and the scenes with Bang (the following two pages) are one of the few places where the books really fall behind the comics - somehow the rebus bubbles just don't translate well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    Actually, the last panel and the scenes with Bang (the following two pages) are one of the few places where the books really fall behind the comics - somehow the rebus bubbles just don't translate well.
    I do not have the novels, but I can imagine that it would be very difficult to translate that picture language to text. The thing is, each picture from Bang conveys a simple meaning and it works well for a conversation, where she cannot use words (or talk at all). How do you use words to describe a dialog with no words? Tricky task.
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    Can someone help me understand descriptive theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keybounce View Post
    Can someone help me understand descriptive theory?
    Its when you provide a lot of details to a theory. /serious nod
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    Quote Originally Posted by keybounce View Post
    Can someone help me understand descriptive theory?
    Hmmm... If I was take a guess I'd say the book is a theoretical approach on how to teach semantics.

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    The real question is whether objects in a comic still exist when off-panel.

    I didn't catch until the second read that the book changes titles.

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    Of course they do. I have them right here. /holds up off panel objects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    The real question is whether objects in a comic still exist when off-panel.

    I didn't catch until the second read that the book changes titles.
    Curse your color wizardry, stealing my idea for a reply. Though it could just be multiple different green books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoeticallyPsyco View Post
    Curse your color wizardry, stealing my idea for a reply. Though it could just be multiple different green books.
    I think the joke about the "object permanence" is that we can realistically have no idea.

    And yes I had to go look after seeing the white text as I hadn't noticed before then.
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    It would be really cool if the Foglios had two versions of the comic. One with the Object Permanence book and one where the title doesn't change.

    Then write a script that swaps the page at random intervals. They could drive quite a few folks crazy before people start taking screenshots to prove what they'd done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodin View Post
    It would be really cool if the Foglios had two versions of the comic. One with the Object Permanence book and one where the title doesn't change.

    Then write a script that swaps the page at random intervals. They could drive quite a few folks crazy before people start taking screenshots to prove what they'd done.
    To be honest, they never went into this kind of trolling, but I remember that McNinja did not as well and then there was that one page
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    There are also comic authors that are known and to a degree expected to pull off those kind of pranks on their audience.

    Monty Python at least once made a vinyl album with two separate grooves on the B side obviously without any information about that, which created quite a confusion.

    Still, the best example of exactly this kind of a prank was the movie Clue, which was made with three different endings and obviously anyone going to a movie theater would see only one of those, but would have no idea that there are more versions. Surely made the discussions about the movie interesting.
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    Now I have to wonder how effective powdered fire extinguisher would be as chilli mitigation. How hydrophobic is it?

    (If it's actually water in that pump - poor Krosp....)
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    Whoa! Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho! That GLOBE!

    There's been some changes made.

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    Whoa! Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho! That GLOBE!

    There's been some changes made.
    Yup. For once, they appear to have gotten rid of an entire continent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Yup. For once, they appear to have gotten rid of an entire continent.
    I dunno. That's not two views of the same globe, one centred on the Atlantic (showing the Americas, Western Europe, Atlantis and some Arctic continent) and the other on Europe (Arctic continent now ice-bound joining Europe to the Americas)? Sure, they've taken a bite out of Eastern Africa, and China seems to be missing, but the place where Atlantis would be is hidden by the speech bubble in the current comic.
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