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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    I'm really tempted to move my vote to Cap or Xihirli just to make a tie. I have no basis for which though. I guess I usually assume Xihirli is evil so let's vote Captain Cap to try to get some discussion going.
    I guess I'll be the one to vote Xihirli, then. Let's have a mexican standoff.

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    Xihirli: PartyOfRouges, CaoimhinTheCape, Captain Cap
    Captain Cap: AvatarVecna, Elenna, gac3
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    rogue_alchemist: Apogee1, MornShine, The Outsider
    Last edited by Captain Cap; 2020-09-30 at 12:17 PM.

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    So why I'm voting RA has nothing to do explicitly with using a d12 or a d10 or a d11 or anything

    But instead comes from more of just how kinda self-aware and a little awkward his first post is

    Especially that part about gac's role having to be powerful that's kinda a :squint:

    And I'm not exactly enthused by the fact he's posted twice since I've expressed suspicion

    And he's barely mentioned it idk

    It's also like

    Do we have any stronger wolfreads than this?

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    Right. Well, self-preservation vote on Captain Cap and... sure, let's do a role reveal, it's late in the day.
    I am a neutral who wants to kill the wolves. You want me on your side.
    Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-09-30 at 09:44 AM.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_Interim View Post
    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    Right. Well, self-preservation vote on Captain Cap and... sure, let's do a role reveal, it's late in the day.
    I am a neutral who wants to kill the wolves. You want me on your side.
    That sounds way too over simplified. I definitely don't think I believe the description as is. That said, I liked the tie for now, so Elenna
    Last edited by gac3; 2020-09-29 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    Right. Well, self-preservation vote on Captain Cap and... sure, let's do a role reveal, it's late in the day.
    I am a neutral who wants to kill the wolves. You want me on your side.
    You are one of the 6 neutrals in the OP right?

    Are you one of the confirmable ones?

    Even if we don't know if we can trust your wincon or not

    Hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee1 View Post
    You are one of the 6 neutrals in the OP right?

    Are you one of the confirmable ones?

    Even if we don't know if we can trust your wincon or not

    Hmm
    I really had to search to find the two that made that not four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    I really had to search to find the two that made that not four.
    Same. Looks like Xihirli's claiming one of the practitioner neutrals, then...and more likely the one than the other. I'm already voting elsewhere anyway.

    Gut feeling, we're probably looking at 7 townies 2 neutrals 2 wolves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee1 View Post
    You are one of the 6 neutrals in the OP right?

    Are you one of the confirmable ones?

    Even if we don't know if we can trust your wincon or not

    Hmm
    I can confirm this tonight with a person of the town’s choice if you like.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_Interim View Post
    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    I can confirm this tonight with a person of the town’s choice if you like.
    You can target me if you want. I am assuming your action can confirm/deny your role in some way? As long as it doesn't kill me, I'm willing to go for it.

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    That's correct. No death.
    So... are we gonna put the swords down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zar Peter View Post
    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_Interim View Post
    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    That's correct. No death.
    So... are we gonna put the swords down?
    I can get some pressure off. I'll go


    [Roll]1d2[/roll]
    1 for RA
    2 for Cap

    Edit: I guess I messed that up.
    Last edited by gac3; 2020-09-29 at 08:17 PM.

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    Yeah the die roller doesn't work on all forums I think. idk why

    EDIT: I'd say probably go with the RA wagon. It's got a reason, even if it's a bad reason - I randvoted Cap and made up a dumb reason to support it, idk why other people even joined.
    Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2020-09-29 at 08:19 PM.


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    Fair enough. Dumb reason is better than no reason. Rogue Alchemist

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    I randvoted Cap and made up a dumb reason to support it, idk why other people even joined.
    Elenna claimed to have used RNG on the ones with already one vote, to get some other wagon happening.
    gac3 wanted to make a tie with rogue_alchemist's wagon, and the choices were me or Xihirli.
    Xihirli voted me to avoid being at the top, and likely choose me because... well, I voted her first.

    Personally, I don't see anything particularly suspicious about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee1 View Post
    So why I'm voting RA has nothing to do explicitly with using a d12 or a d10 or a d11 or anything

    But instead comes from more of just how kinda self-aware and a little awkward his first post is

    Especially that part about gac's role having to be powerful that's kinda a :squint:

    And I'm not exactly enthused by the fact he's posted twice since I've expressed suspicion

    And he's barely mentioned it idk

    It's also like

    Do we have any stronger wolfreads than this?
    Your problem is that I'm awkward? I just got on Monday morning and found like 3 different places gac3 had posted looking for the game thread and then when I came to the game he was complaining about having to find it the hard way. It seemed over-eager to me. If you haven't noticed from the past 2-3 times a game has started and I do RNG, I like to have the RNG choose someone then add a reason to the post as well because RNG by itself seems weak and stupid.

    Also the vote count is messed up because I misformated my last post with my vote on Xi. I have gone back and corrected all that, but I have training for work today and can't go back to recount. I am around in a limited capacity if I am needed for something. I am town with a provable role that I will gladly help test tonight if someone wants me to use it on them or if there is a watcher that wants to see what I do and what the consequences are.
    Last edited by rogue_alchemist; 2020-09-30 at 05:52 AM.

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    8 hours to go.

    Xihirli: PartyOfRouges, CaoimhinTheCape, rogue_alchemist, Captain Cap
    Captain Cap: AvatarVecna, Elenna, Xihirli
    rogue_alchemist: Apogee1, MornShine, The Outsider, gac3, AvatarVecna

    Xihirli and rogue_alchemist are currently tied for the lead. Or rather...they were. I've heard a claim from Xihirli, at least. RA, anything you'd like to declare?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue_alchemist View Post
    Your problem is that I'm awkward? I just got on Monday morning and found like 3 different places gac3 had posted looking for the game thread and then when I came to the game he was complaining about having to find it the hard way. It seemed over-eager to me. If you haven't noticed from the past 2-3 times a game has started and I do RNG, I like to have the RNG choose someone then add a reason to the post as well because RNG by itself seems weak and stupid.
    For the record, genuine question, did I ask in three places? I don't remember but my memory has been crap the last week or so after an accident I was in. Incidentally that's also why I was so eager to get here, Im out of work and school at least the rest of the week.

    Edit: also, we can speak at night right?
    Last edited by gac3; 2020-09-30 at 07:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    Edit: also, we can speak at night right?
    Correct. Just no making QTs or PMing each other, but posting here Day or Night is fine.

    Also, when Day ends, I plan on writing something like the below:

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    e.g.,
    JeenLeen: Helgar, Valmark, Snowblaze (3 votes)

    The # votes will reflect the total after any vote manipulation, and thus will not necessarily equal to the number of people in the list. So you will get evidence that vote manipulation occurred, but (in most cases) no definitive proof whose vote was manipulated.
    I do have a 2 PM meeting today, so I might declare who got lynched and then edit in the vote totals later.

    If you have any Day powers you want to use, make sure to alert me via your QuickTopic. I'll be checking regularly (probably at least every hour) until Day's end.

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    Now that I don't need a self-preservation vote out I can diversify!
    I don't really know who to point at, though, so that's not very helpful.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_Interim View Post
    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    @JeenLeen: From the Fae Noble's role description: "Once per night, you can use your glamour to prove to somebody your Role and Neutral status." Does that include proving what their win con is, or just proving that they are the Fae Noble?
    I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    @JeenLeen: From the Fae Noble's role description: "Once per night, you can use your glamour to prove to somebody your Role and Neutral status." Does that include proving what their win con is, or just proving that they are the Fae Noble?
    No comment, except that it does prove (amongst other things) they are the Fae Noble.

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    I have far less time than I thought, so just some quick considerations:
    Quote Originally Posted by rogue_alchemist View Post
    Your problem is that I'm awkward? I just got on Monday morning and found like 3 different places gac3 had posted looking for the game thread and then when I came to the game he was complaining about having to find it the hard way. It seemed over-eager to me. If you haven't noticed from the past 2-3 times a game has started and I do RNG, I like to have the RNG choose someone then add a reason to the post as well because RNG by itself seems weak and stupid.
    At first I though the justification you brought was just a joke, so the formation of the wagon on you appeared a bit strange to me, however this quote seems to imply the contrary, and I don't really understand the point: if you use RNG, by definition you are voting randomly, so any additional reason is not only superfluous, but in direct contradiction with the method adopted (or you vote randomly or not, unless you extract from a smaller subset of players decided priorly).

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue_alchemist View Post
    I am town with a provable role that I will gladly help test tonight if someone wants me to use it on them or if there is a watcher that wants to see what I do and what the consequences are.
    Provable role or provable power? Because it's different and you haven't claimed any role yet.

    I end my activity for this day by voting rogue_alchemist (no strong suspicions, but retractions and contradictions tend to tip me off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    8 hours to go.

    Xihirli: PartyOfRouges, CaoimhinTheCape, rogue_alchemist, Captain Cap
    Captain Cap: AvatarVecna, Elenna, Xihirli
    rogue_alchemist: Apogee1, MornShine, The Outsider, gac3, AvatarVecna

    Xihirli and rogue_alchemist are currently tied for the lead. Or rather...they were. I've heard a claim from Xihirli, at least. RA, anything you'd like to declare?
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cap View Post
    I have far less time than I thought, so just some quick considerations:

    At first I though the justification you brought was just a joke, so the formation of the wagon on you appeared a bit strange to me, however this quote seems to imply the contrary, and I don't really understand the point: if you use RNG, by definition you are voting randomly, so any additional reason is not only superfluous, but in direct contradiction with the method adopted (or you vote randomly or not, unless you extract from a smaller subset of players decided priorly).


    Provable role or provable power? Because it's different and you haven't claimed any role yet.

    I end my activity for this day by voting rogue_alchemist (no strong suspicions, but retractions and contradictions tend to tip me off).
    I guess I'm not the only one who missed that soft claim you are recommending. It's nearly as much information as Xihirli gave.

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    Day 1 End

    Captain Cap: Elenna (1 vote)
    rogue_alchemist: AvatarVecna, gac3, The Outsider, Apogeee1, MornShine, Captain Cap (5 votes)
    Xihirli: PartyOfRouges, rogue_alchemist, CaoimhimTheCape (3 votes)

    The Day is spent with relatively civil death threats, and, while a few are accused, eventually one person find themselves the target of the group's hostilities. Then he lets out a drunken belch in the face of one person while spilling his chalice of liquor on the other. He soon finds himself slain for such an affront, though perhaps he is too inebriated to feel much pain.

    rogue_alchemist was lynched. He was the Acolyte of Dionysius, Town
    Acolyte of Dionysius: Once per game, you can cause a drunken revelry. If used during the Day, all votes but yours are cancelled. If used during the Night, no night powers (including the wolf night-kill) function that night.
    Until you use this power, you can void one person per night by making them too drunk to act. This can block the wolf night-kill.
    Night 1 Begins and will end in about 24 hours (2 pm on Oct. 1st)

    Please post your Night actions (if any) to your QuickTopic.
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    Once per game, you can cause a drunken revelry. If used during the Day, all votes but yours are cancelled.
    Wait a second... does this mean he could have saved himself?

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    Wait a second.

    Rogue_alchemist had six people voting for him, but only received five votes.
    Trickery is afoot.
    I can see it from the outside.
    And I know you're on the inside... lookin' out.


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    Wait a second... Did somebody not vote? 5+3+1=9 and outsider already mentioned there was an extra one not counted for RA to be out


    Wait a second... Did I miss a power? I read through and didn't see any that would explain outsiders realization.
    Last edited by gac3; 2020-09-30 at 01:26 PM. Reason: Consistency

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    I don't want to post too much lest I give something away, but...

    -under normal circumstances, yes, rogue_alchemist could have saved himself. If he choose to, if he was active, if nothing interferred, etc.
    -it is correct that 6 people voted for RA but there are only 5 votes for RA
    -I do believe someone did not vote in the end. I asked them in their QT to confirm. But it wouldn't have changed anything anyhow. Even if they voted for Xihirli, that'd only put her to 4 votes.
    Last edited by JeenLeen; 2020-09-30 at 01:28 PM.

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    Alright, here's my theory:

    Since I didn't see any roles that explicitly take people's votes (only ones that passively have a -1 to all totals against them), one of the roles has to have the ability to siphon people's votes hidden in their <redacted> text. My best guess is that the Contract Specialist is one of the wolves, and that one of the redacted "downsides" to accepting their power is a loss of voting ability. This also fits with Xihirli claiming to be a neutral who wants wolves dead: she could very easily be the Rogue Diabolist, if she isn't lying.

    Granted, lying and murder seem to be some of her favorite hobbies. Still, I'm willing to believe her until given explicit reason to do otherwise.

    EDIT: Scratch that, Xihirli claimed to be able to confirm her role. Probably not the Rogue Diabolist.
    Last edited by The Outsider; 2020-09-30 at 02:06 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    Alright, here's my theory:

    Since I didn't see any roles that explicitly take people's votes (only ones that passively have a -1 to all totals against them), one of the roles has to have the ability to siphon people's votes hidden in their <redacted> text. My best guess is that the Contract Specialist is one of the wolves, and that one of the redacted "downsides" to accepting their power is a loss of voting ability. This also fits with Xihirli claiming to be a neutral who wants wolves dead: she could very easily be the Rogue Diabolist, if she isn't lying.

    Granted, lying and murder seem to be some of her favorite hobbies. Still, I'm willing to believe her until given explicit reason to do otherwise.

    EDIT: Scratch that, Xihirli claimed to be able to confirm her role. Probably not the Rogue Diabolist.
    Reading the contract specialist more closely this time. I bet it is a "if they accept the contract, their vote doesn't count for that day". So I agree with outsider. I had been going to suggest that the seer target one of the people who voted RA but it sounds like it wouldn't make a difference.

    So Xihirli did not vote btw. Seems odd.

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