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Thread: Nale's return
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2020-10-06, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Nale's return
Not only was Crystal killed in a manner that allowed for her to be raised easily, Haley gives her a message for Bozzok as if she intended Crystal to be raised. She didn't expect a golem, but she was expecting her to come back.
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2020-10-06, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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What I meant was that Nale coming back as a fiend would be rather similar to Crystal coming back as a golem. I didn't mean to imply that their remains were in similar condition, or that the likelihood of their return was similarly plausible. (I wrote that post in a hurry due to IRL stuff, so it's a bit sloppy; my apologies.)
I don't think that Nale returning as a literal fiend who had lost all semblance of humanity would cheapen the stakes, assuming his fate was established as sufficiently pathetic and separate from "oh, he's back as himself." That said, I'm still not saying it's likely - it seems pretty clear that Rich doesn't intend for Nale to play a major role in the story going forward, except perhaps as motivation for Sabine's (and maybe Thog's?) actions.Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
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2020-10-07, 02:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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The difference is that was an unfinished narrative between Haley, Crystal, Bozzok, so the Giant tied that loose end by having them come back to hunt Haley and as a result meet their ultimate end.
Bringing back the Linear Guild now on the contrary would add nothing to the story and only distract from focusing on the real villains.
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2020-10-07, 04:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nale got nailed, so not Nale.
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2020-10-07, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-07, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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I really liked Nale, sadly I'm the minority here.
Theorically a wish/miracle could bring him back; and the same goes to Malak.
Don't think it's gonna happen - storywise it was clear we're done with that character and with the linear guild.
We can still get a surprize with them, but I doubt it.
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2020-10-07, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't disagree with that. I never said it was likely, only that Nale becoming a demon wouldn't be comparable to a cheap True Resurrection that made Nale's death irrelevant. It would almost certainly add nothing useful to the story, though, hence why it probably won't happen.
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2020-10-07, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-07, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like Nale, but I don’t want him back. He’s just not relevant anymore, him coming back would just detract from the story and from his character.
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2020-10-07, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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In the end he was the final Nale in his own coffin.
In don't actually have a good idea for what kind of other creature/soul they would be using said vessel for, so I don't really have a counter case. But Nale? If you were three archfiends out to something something end of the world wiping out the gods muhaha, and your plan hinged on finding a suitable vessel for having a follower get their hands dirty to give everything the final push, would you be putting your money on Nale? Good old undependable, think's he's smarter than you, cares only for himself and maybe Sabine Nale?
I'd rather bring back Thog. Sure, the only reason he was worth anything was his physical prowess which he would no longer have given that this is a new body, but at least he's easy to manipulate into working for you.The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2020-10-07, 04:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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People are taking it for granted that the IFCC's "vessel" is a person, but that's not confirmed.
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2020-10-08, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-08, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-08, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-08, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-08, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Haha, I often felt this way too and that's why I think this is correct. Nale is a B-list villain (Tarquin was right about that, at least, even if he failed to see he was one, too), and a petty one at that; the stakes the Order is playing at have moved past him.
Nale coming back would be like Ultros coming back for one more fight right before Kefka.
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2020-10-09, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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And narratively speaking (heheh), there was way too much finality to the murder and angst on Elan's part for him to come back. "I'm not a twin anymore" was a huge moment for Elan's character, and to undo that would be tactless. Nale is as dead as a high level adventurer can be short of a soul capture or getting Snarl'd, I think he's done.
That said, I'm almost certain that Thog and Sabine are going to make some return. Thog's ending is too ambiguous to not get closure for such a major character. , and the IFCC mentioned Sabine running some plot-important errand.
Personally I'm interested to see how The Giant is gonna end Thog's story; writing a satisfying ending for a character who's childishly likeable but also an unrepentant murderer and a danger to everyone around them is not an enviable task. I'm 50/50 on either his dying or getting some kind of pseudo-redemption (at least curbing his murderous tendencies)
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2020-10-09, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sabine is assured to still have a role in the story thanks to her association with the IFCC, but other than a brief apparition where is killed for good like Crystal and Bozzok I don't think there is anything left to be said about Thog.
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2020-10-13, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nale's dead.
Also, there's little indication that the "vessel" is a person. It could be, but it also could be something completely different. It could be argued that it's implied she will seduce the "vessel" they need, but she could also just be doing that "business" and "pleasure" things as distinct but alternating enterprises. For example, if your company pays you plane tickets to go do business abroad, you may take advantage of the time there to sight see a little bit, or vice versa. You mix in pleasure and business, without these two referring to exactly the same thing.Attention LotR fans
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2020-10-13, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-13, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-13, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm.
Elan's arc regarding Nale and their father is done...
But Nale and Sabine's arcs could be continued.
I can see the possibility of Nale interfering with the Trio of Evil to help Sabine get back at them, or for some other long game at Sabine's instigation.
I can also see Nale being brought back as some kind of demon, devil, or construct, to have him help Elan because it's NALE who grew after Targuin killed him.
But if he stays dead, that's fine too, and probably the best option.
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2020-10-14, 05:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-14, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think my solution would be that he's alive because the Order didn't resolve every problem in the entire world.
Sabine is assured to still have a role in the story thanks to her association with the IFCC, but other than a brief apparition where is killed for good like Crystal and Bozzok I don't think there is anything left to be said about Thog.
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2020-10-14, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-15, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nale was rarely if ever that big of a threat to the Order I feel. The story has long escalated past him, if he was brought back now he'd be like the least of the order's concerns and at most a glorified minion to the fiend triumvirate.