OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread

[Bedinsis]

I have only read the first pages of this thread, so this might have brought up (and I am curious how the discussion drifted to the definition of a fruit) but: I predict it will turn out O-Chul and/or Lien has been keeping track of which doors actually have been cleared and which doors have only been falsely labeled as such. The Order will find this information.

[arimareiji]

(and I am curious how the discussion drifted to the definition of a fruit)

True.... usually when things veer off on a tangent, it leads to fruitless discussion.

[Dion]

Idle fruit thought: figs are not botanically a fruit, they are an inflorescence- a dense cluster of flowers and seeds contained inside a bulbous section of stem.

Sure, and strawberries, raspberries, and pineapples aren’t quite fruit either. But I think they’re not quite not-not fruit, if you know what I mean?

I’m not quite as sure about corn (or maize, or whatever you call that stuff in the other 97% of the world that isn’t the country I live in). Are individual kernels of corn each a fruit?

Same with pomegranates. What’s the deal with pomegranates?

[WanderingMist]

Sure, and strawberries, raspberries, and pineapples aren’t quite fruit either. But I think they’re not quite not-not fruit, if you know what I mean?

I’m not quite as sure about corn (or maize, or whatever you call that stuff in the other 97% of the world that isn’t the country I live in). Are individual kernels of corn each a fruit?

Same with pomegranates. What’s the deal with pomegranates?

What? No. Strawberries, raspberries, and pineapples are all fruit. The first two aren't berries, (ironically enough, pineapples are), but they're still fruit, an aggregate fruit.


Here's a whole thing about what fruits are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit#Development

[Dion]

What? No. Strawberries, raspberries, and pineapples are all fruit. The first two aren't berries, (ironically enough, pineapples are), but they're still fruit, an aggregate fruit.

But if we say “a whole bunch of fruit” are “a” fruit, we might as well say that marshmallows are a fruit because they’re made from corn syrup!

Which doesn’t make any sense, because marshmallows are in the vegetable section of the supermarket next to the canned yams.

(*) am I supposed to somehow turn this blue or something? Because I’m not quite sure if it’s clear that I’m not-not joking?

[Rogar Demonblud]

That's because far and away the most common way of cooking yams is with little marshmallows sprinkled on top.

[arimareiji]

That's because far and away the most common way of cooking yams is with little marshmallows sprinkled on top.

Quite true, at least in the US... but then again, our four major food groups are "Covered with sugar, covered with salt, covered with ketchup, and covered with ranch dressing." (^_~)

[Peelee]

Quite true, at least in the US... but then again, our four major food groups are "Covered with sugar, covered with salt, covered with ketchup, and covered with ranch dressing." (^_~)

Wait, those are supposed to be separate?

I threw up in my mouth a little just writing that.

[WanderingMist]

Wait, those are supposed to be separate?

What? WHAT? I'm from the US. What kind of horrors are you Southerners concocting down there? At least we Midwesterners only fry things that shouldn't be fried.

Also, irrelevant, I've been assuming you were a girl this whole time based solely on your username despite your icon clearly listing male.

[CriticalFailure]

GUYS. I have long theorized that it's fairly likely the Gate is actually just encased in a bunch of stone, with no actual entrance. What if Durkon and Minrah accidentally find it by burrowing into stone????

[understatement]

GUYS. I have long theorized that it's fairly likely the Gate is actually just encased in a bunch of stone, with no actual entrance. What if Durkon and Minrah accidentally find it by burrowing into stone????

a) Durkon and Minrah can't actually move around in the stone; they can only step out of it.

b) If a single 3rd level spell could break through the defenses, then Serini is honestly the worst guardian ever. Even Girard's double-bluff on the gate was heavily defended (pyramid illusions, Draketooth family, lead casing).

[Peelee]

What? WHAT? I'm from the US. What kind of horrors are you Southerners concocting down there?

Pimento. It's a cheese. They call it the caviar of the south.

Also, irrelevant, I've been assuming you were a girl this whole time based solely on your username despite your icon clearly listing male.

Imean, you still can assume that. I've never let being wrong stop me before, after all.

[CriticalFailure]

a) Durkon and Minrah can't actually move around in the stone; they can only step out of it.

b) If a single 3rd level spell could break through the defenses, then Serini is honestly the worst guardian ever. Even Girard's double-bluff on the gate was heavily defended (pyramid illusions, Draketooth family, lead casing).

Yeah that's all true. But there are still ways it could happen. If Team Evil realizes the tracks end right at the door and uses a more powerful spell to crack the stone. Or if Sereni overl relied on people not penetrating a random square of stone. Or something. I don't know it's not really a great theory.

[Metastachydium]

Yeah that's all true. But there are still ways it could happen. If Team Evil realizes the tracks end right at the door and uses a more powerful spell to crack the stone. Or if Sereni overl relied on people not penetrating a random square of stone. Or something. I don't know it's not really a great theory.

It's not impossible, either, although the theory needs a little cleanup for sure. I could absolutely imagine that the Gate is not strictly within any of the dungeons (which does not mean none of them leads to it; it could be past the apparent final wall of an apparent dead end somewhere), and finding it takes the brute force needed to blast some of the stone away, but only as long as it's at least some 100 meters away from the rock face.
Also, I would definitely go so far as to state that Team Cleric is not going to stumble upon it at this point.

[arimareiji]

Wait, those are supposed to be separate?

I threw up in my mouth a little just writing that.

They can overlap, but hopefully not all at the same time.

Dadgummit, I can't believe I forgot the fifth major food group: Deep-fried. (Also not unlikely to overlap.)

I'm not particularly unhappy about it, but I think that means my Southern citizenship-by-birth has to be revoked.

[danielxcutter]

They can overlap, but hopefully not all at the same time.

Dadgummit, I can't believe I forgot the fifth major food group: Deep-fried. (Also not unlikely to overlap.)

I'm not particularly unhappy about it, but I think that means my Southern citizenship-by-birth has to be revoked.

1. Isn’t that a given?

B) But ketchup has lots of sugar and salt in it as well.

:P

[arimareiji]

1. Isn’t that a given?

B) But ketchup has lots of sugar and salt in it as well.

:P

Sounds like we could make a fortune selling deep-fried ketchup covered in ranch dressing. XD

[danielxcutter]

Sounds like we could make a fortune selling deep-fried ketchup covered in ranch dressing. XD

Eh, somebody's probably doing that one already.

[KorvinStarmast]

And you still speak with him?

Blood is thicker than tea. (But not always thicker than coffee: back in the Navy days we figured that it's not quite right until it's about the consistency of 5w30 motor oil ...

Sounds like we could make a fortune selling deep-fried ketchup covered in ranch dressing. XD

Next time the Texas State fair is up and running, why don't you enter that into a contest? A few years back, they did deep fried butter (won a prize) and deep fried ice cream (won a prize) and there was one other I can't remember. (Chances are that a search on the Texas Monthly web site / archive would reveal some of the stranger stuff that has been deep fried and won culinary prizes at that fair).

Now that I think of it, Belkar needs to enter his buzzard recipe at the fair: it might win a prize for novelty.

[Storm_Of_Snow]

Next time the Texas State fair is up and running, why don't you enter that into a contest? A few years back, they did deep fried butter (wont a prize) and deep fried ice cream (won a prize) and there was one other I can't remember. (Chances are that a search on the Texas Monthly web site / archive would reveal some of the stranger stuff that has been deep fried and won culinary prizes at that fair).

Deep-fried Mars bar anyone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar

[BarakDeathBlade]

They do deep fried beer, too.

It's a fried ravioli made around an ice cube of frozen beer. So you get a deep fried ravioli full of warm, flat beer. Yum.

[bunsen_h]

Sounds like we could make a fortune selling deep-fried ketchup covered in ranch dressing. XD

You could do it by deep-frying battered frozen cubes of ketchup, or by injection-filling deep-fried pastries. Then coating them with the dressing.

EDIT: But if you really want to go for a prize, what you should do is have a range of deep-fried condiments for people to select from. Ketchup, mustard, relish, mayo, a couple of dressings. Squeez Cheez or Spray Cheez or Cheez Whiz or some other semi-fluid cheez-like product.

EDIT 2: Chopped onions, of course, would make too much sense and would actually be considered good by many people. Though if you did them "right" the onions would still be raw inside the fried batter. Or, better, frozen, then thawed and mushy and wilting.

[Peelee]

Blood is thicker than tea. (But not always thicker than coffee: back in the Navy days we figured that it's not quite right until it's about the consistency of 5w30 motor oil ...

Next time the Texas State fair is up and running, why don't you enter that into a contest? A few years back, they did deep fried butter (won a prize) and deep fried ice cream (won a prize) and there was one other I can't remember.

Deep fried ice cream is, if not common, at least a pretty well-known dessert, though. Heck, I've made it myself.

EDIT 2: Chopped onions, of course, would make too much sense and would actually be considered good by many people. Though if you did them "right" the onions would still be raw inside the fried batter. Or, better, frozen, then thawed and mushy and wilting.

I can never quite get the fried onions right for my kaesespaetzle.

[Fyraltari]

This entire thread must be purged.

[bunsen_h]

Deep fried ice cream is, if not common, at least a pretty well-known dessert, though. Heck, I've made it myself.

I've had it once or twice at restaurants; never tried making it myself. (For that matter, I don't recall ever having tried deep-frying anything myself, not counting heating things in oil baths in labs.) I don't really see the appeal. The fried stuff was cold and the ice cream was melted, the worst of both worlds.

I can never quite get the fried onions right for my kaesespaetzle.

Deep-fried kaesespaetzle?

EDIT:

This entire thread must be purged.

I think that deep-fried condiments would be a powerful purgative. Or emetic.

[Doug Lampert]

Quite true, at least in the US... but then again, our four major food groups are "Covered with sugar, covered with salt, covered with ketchup, and covered with ranch dressing." (^_~)

My wife points out that this list is missing covered in chocolate.

My food idea is caffeinated spray cheese. It's the perfect food for University students.

[Yirggzmb]

EDIT: But if you really want to go for a prize, what you should do is have a range of deep-fried condiments for people to select from. Ketchup, mustard, relish, mayo, a couple of dressings. Squeez Cheez or Spray Cheez or Cheez Whiz or some other semi-fluid cheez-like product.

To be fair "deep fried cheese" is already a classic. So deep fried cheez whiz doesn't sound awful. I'd try it anyway.

[Petrocorus]

Blood is thicker than tea. (But not always thicker than coffee: back in the Navy days we figured that it's not quite right until it's about the consistency of 5w30 motor oil ...

I approve of this.

[CriticalFailure]

It's not impossible, either, although the theory needs a little cleanup for sure. I could absolutely imagine that the Gate is not strictly within any of the dungeons (which does not mean none of them leads to it; it could be past the apparent final wall of an apparent dead end somewhere), and finding it takes the brute force needed to blast some of the stone away, but only as long as it's at least some 100 meters away from the rock face.
Also, I would definitely go so far as to state that Team Cleric is not going to stumble upon it at this point.

Yeah my original theory posited that it may be encased in the stone in such a way that accessing it includes 1) blasting a way a lot of stone by brute force 2) in such a way that multiple dungeons would be exposed and you'd have to deal with multiple epic dungeons worth of beasts.

[mjasghar]

With regards to lemons - we have a wild lemon tree in the family farm in Kashmir and those are the small ones that aren’t bitter
Another case of making it bigger not always making it better