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2020-10-05, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-10-05, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
I didn't even notice the discrepancy on first reading, and when I went back on a slower re-read, 'loaded to bear' sounds right in my head. I'm Irish; Durkon speaks with a sort of stereotypical Scottish cant (though it's gotten to a level it's almost flawless, and in the Firamament arc with all the dwarves I swear I was reading half of them with, like, Cork accents) and those two languages have similar dialect histories, and our slang . . . echo each other, I guess? Is that a good way to put it?
A pillar bears weight, and loaded is usually used to refer to weight instead of any form of reloading in terms of slang on our side of the pond. Also we don't have any bears anymore. Ergo, loaded to bear weight. Locked and loaded by any other name.I draw, and I write sometimes! Drow paladin avatar by me. They/Them
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2020-10-05, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
technically His (caster attribute) must be at least 10. craft wonderous item feat and had wasted 11 levels to get caster level 11 despite being unable to cast 1st level spells. Level 0 spells still count as spells and meet base requirements.
beyond caster level and phylactery cost the bar is real low on Lich.
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2020-10-05, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-10-05, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2020-10-05, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
"Loaded to bear" makes more sense for a dwarf who lives underground.
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2020-10-05, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Wasn't there a thing with multi-dimensional stone or whatever that kept you from just hopping through it to check for the gate in all of the dungeons? Why were they able to stone shape into them if the rock has magic plot-protection?
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2020-10-05, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Plane Shift seems to only work on creatures, so I'm guessing phylacteries would function as objects. He could also just drop the phylactery in lava or a jar of acid.
Goblin Larry Gardeners? Sure.
If she was sympathetic to them, she probably wouldn't smash their big face with big maces.
Someone already mentioned above that multidimensiol stone blocks Ethereal traveling, which is what Ghostform does. Meld into stone isn't ethereal travel.
ETA: The art on the 6th panel is neat. Characters running viewed from the back are usually drawn how Minrah is running, but Durkon's drawn with another stance altogether.Last edited by understatement; 2020-10-05 at 04:35 PM.
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2020-10-05, 04:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Or shove it someplace that Xykon can't ever possibly escape from, say into a sphere of annihilation.
The invisible pair remind me slightly of the character Amok from The Illearth War, the second of the Thomas Covenant books. "We aren't here to defend Kraagor's Gate!
Spoiler: Illearth WarWe are Kraagor's Gate!"
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2020-10-05, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Redcloak could just Plane Shift himself to the PEP, drop the amulet and leave. It's probably the best place to leave it, given what the PEP does to undead.
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2020-10-05, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Someone already mentioned above that multidimensiol stone blocks Ethereal traveling, which is what Ghostform does. Meld into stone isn't ethereal travel.Last edited by Thermophille; 2020-10-05 at 04:46 PM.
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2020-10-05, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Xykon stated once that his phylactery has so many warding spells on it that he doesn't remember them all. Specifically, panel 8 of Strip 656. Therefore, I'm not sure if a Sphere of Annihilation or even the crater of a volcano could destroy it.
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2020-10-05, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2020-10-05, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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that's the beauty of it. You don't need to destroy the phylactery; you need to place in a place that Xykon cannot form a body. It the object is not considered inherently evil dumping it in a positive energy plane ensures the phylactery remains and Xykon is destroyed every X days when his skull tries to reform.
Heck; a monastery with a few level 1 clerics with +1 clubs can make it a nightly chore.
Once a phylactery is in enemy hands a Lich is in big trouble.
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2020-10-05, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Does the Positive Energy Plane have an anti-undead effect in addition to being Major Positive Dominant? IIRC undead just get all the benefits from that (I know fast-healing works at least, the temp HP may not) with none of the downsides. (Both effects are Fort saves and neither seem to be harmless or affect objects) That's pretty much the opposite of the best place if it doesn't have any additional effects.
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2020-10-05, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-10-05, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-05, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
It occurs to me that Team Evil might, upon realizing this level isn't cleared out like they'd thought, will instead double back out rather than clear it first. They'd see the monsters and conclude that the dwarves can't be back here or they'd have been killed already.
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2020-10-05, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2020-10-05, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Last edited by Thermophille; 2020-10-05 at 05:19 PM.
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2020-10-05, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
You need to move to a state that has weather beyond 'flatten everything'.
Positive energy destroys undead. That's what you channel with a turning attempt, that's what you use for cure/healing spells, and that's what a weapon with the disruption property is made out of.
Someone already built a dungeon that consisted of three zombies in a sealed portable hole beating Elminster with giant clubs every round of every day forever.
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2020-10-05, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
You could probably use planer travel to move the protected item if it is close to a sphere - that should protect it via relocation.
If you want to protect it outside of that you could likely use contingent Gates to trigger the 50% chance of destroying the sphere - or have some rods of cancellation to destroy it should it come close to what you are protecting.
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2020-10-05, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
So I'm thinking this is a dungeon that they didn't actually clear, xykon is under prepared, and the whole can of worms is opened. 2 maybe, or more even.
MITD scheme is revealed. RC's scheme is revealed, some other ace xykon has is revealed if he has one.
This has a lot of plot potential, and while it seems perhaps too soon for the stuff to hit the fan, maybe it will and the plot will go in a direction we had not considered.
No matter what, I'm loving it even if it does go well, and they go into a dungeon already cleared and they just go "shucks" and move on to a new thing.Vae Victus!
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2020-10-05, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1216 - The Discussion Thread
Longshot prediction: Team Evil ends here. Xykon bites it, and Redcloak has to retreat in a way that keepa him from the real phylactery. So Xykon figures out the ruse and the Plan os dead.