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    You know how to play go?
    Depends. How many Arnold Palmers does it require drinking?

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    I'm missing something somewhere. I thought an Arnold Palmer was just ice tea & lemonade. There's something I don't know about the effect of those ingredients on a pancreas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    I'm missing something somewhere. I thought an Arnold Palmer was just ice tea & lemonade. There's something I don't know about the effect of those ingredients on a pancreas?
    Pancreas breaks down sugars. Arnold Palmers hit it like whiskey to the liver, I'm guessing.

    Im sorry, noble pancreas. I ain't giving those up.

    ETA: The story about his the drink got its name is short but cool.
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    So when I have a gin & lemon (meaning lemonade), I'm assaulting all my organs at once? Good to know, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    So when I have a gin & lemon (meaning lemonade), I'm assaulting all my organs at once? Good to know, I guess.
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    If you know how to drink your choice of beverages and whang away at a little ball with a club, then you know how to play golf, as far as I can tell.

    My favorite golf story is about my late friend's brother, who hit the ball into the long grass and said, "I need the 10-wood for this shot." Nobody had ever heard of that kind of club. He pulled a Louisville Slugger out of the bag and proceeded to smack the ball back onto the green.
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    So when I have a gin & lemon (meaning lemonade), I'm assaulting all my organs at once? Good to know, I guess.
    Technically, sugar does not enter the pancreas the way toxins enter the liver. Rather it produces enzymes that empty into the bowels and break down (among other things) carbohydrates there,in addition to secreting hormones that regulate the metabolism of sugar.
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    Apparently they're attracted tO MitD and things he ate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    In the part of the US that Peelee is from both of those beverages are normally made with concentrations of sugar that shouldn't even be chemically possible.
    You dare malign our beloved iced tea?!
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    I think technically a proper Arnold Palmer is made with unsweetened iced tea
    Sure. By barbarians.
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    but unsweetened iced tea is frowned upon in those parts.
    We ask unsweetened tea drinkers politely but firmly to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    In the part of the US that Peelee is from both of those beverages are normally made with concentrations of sugar that shouldn't even be chemically possible. Excessive consumption of sugar can damage the pancreas, which is responsible for regulating the body's blood sugar, which eventually leads to, well...

    I think technically a proper Arnold Palmer is made with unsweetened iced tea, but unsweetened iced tea is frowned upon in those parts.
    I get my Arnold Palmers by the gallon jug from Arizona Ice Tea (shameless plug). I have to keep some on hand at all times for when M'Lady visits; she's a fiend for ice tea. (I also like their Ginseng tea.)

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    To the question in the original thread, isn't in canon-ish that the roaches are inhabitants of the lower plains who just sort of got attracted to Team Evil do the general stench of evil that surrounds them?
    They first turned up in the Evil coffee shop in SoD which Team Evil was frequenting. I think the cook actually opened a gate to the lower planes for some of his ingredients and the roaches snuck through, but I could be remembering that bit wrong.
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    I am pretty sure they're working for the IFCC. Sabine suggested the fiends have pawns on every team in the conflict, and the roaches make a lot of sense as spies on Team Evil. Despite the fact that they're always around, coming and going as they please, they are pretty much assumed to be harmless comic relief, so neither the capriciously violent Xykon or the ruthlessly analytical Redcloak try to kill them or think twice about speaking freely in front of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    You dare malign our beloved iced tea?!

    Sure. By barbarians.

    We ask unsweetened tea drinkers politely but firmly to leave.
    I asked for Tea one time in a western state and was horrified by what I got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    We ask unsweetened tea drinkers politely but firmly to leave.
    It's the only way to drink Iced Tea(unsweetened, per my wife's informed opinion. (Though we do prefer to put a couple of mint leaves and a lemon wedge in ours ...). Granted, the only Iced Tea that I prefer any more is Long Island Iced Tea, but that's a real strain on the liver after two or three.
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    I am pretty sure they're working for the IFCC. Sabine suggested the fiends have pawns on every team in the conflict, and the roaches make a lot of sense as spies on Team Evil. Despite the fact that they're always around, coming and going as they please, they are pretty much assumed to be harmless comic relief, so neither the capriciously violent Xykon or the ruthlessly analytical Redcloak try to kill them or think twice about speaking freely in front of them.
    I 100% agree that they're assumed to be comic relief.

    I just don't expect that will result in a twist of "they weren't actually comic relief!"

    I think they're going to stay comic relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionathus View Post
    I 100% agree that they're assumed to be comic relief.

    I just don't expect that will result in a twist of "they weren't actually comic relief!"

    I think they're going to stay comic relief.
    The 2 Lawyers have comic reliefed their way into pushing the story forward. Its a comedy strip, they are ALL Comic relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbetieh View Post
    The 2 Lawyers have comic reliefed their way into pushing the story forward. Its a comedy strip, they are ALL Comic relief.
    Hmmmm... did they, though? Lord Shojo pushed the story forward by putting the Order on trial. The lawyers, as established comic-relief characters, were handy to be used as attorneys for the prosecution, just as Celia was established to be going back to get her paralegal degree when she left the Dungeon of Dorukan, thus she was available for the defense. Economy of storytelling dictated bringing back familiar characters rather than creating a whole new set of lawyers.

    Jones and Rodriguez never had the sort of fourth-wall-breaking powers the roaches display, though. The roaches explicitly act as a Greek chorus and comment on the action from an outsider perspective, while still being on the stage.

    The roaches themselves commented on how many sides are involved in the story at one point, and didn't one of them say he counted nine? Which would be a wholly disingenuous comment for the author to put in their mouths if they themselves were one of them, I think. Yes, we've had some shocking reveals, but never without clues leading up to them in retrospect. If anything, I think the roaches role contradicts the idea that they are going to take an active role opposing anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    Jones and Rodriguez never had the sort of fourth-wall-breaking powers the roaches display, though. The roaches explicitly act as a Greek chorus and comment on the action from an outsider perspective, while still being on the stage.
    They were introduced as Wizard of the Coast employees abd took out Zz'dtri, remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    They were introduced as Wizard of the Coast employees abd took out Zz'dtri, remember?
    I had actually forgotten. Fair point.

    But in their subsequent appearances, I believe they had a few, they became bumbling attorneys instead of visitors from behind the fourth wall, unless I'm very mistaken; while the roaches have not changed, they still have the same function of making asides to the audience and being aware that they're doing so. So I stand by the main point.
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    I don't think occasionally filtering info to the IFCC changes their role in the story that much and it doesn't change their nature either. It's unlikely they're going to become giant roaches that start fighting people. But it's also pretty clear that Team Evil has been on the IFCC's radar for awhile, since they seem interested in making the conflict over the Gates continue. And the roaches have been following Xykon and Redcloak since just about the beginning of their alliance to take the Gates. It doesn't seem absurd to me that they could be spies.

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    Why would the IFCC need the roaches? Couldn't they just spy on everything using their HD TV? The roaches can't exactly influence Team Evil in the way that Qarr or Sabine could in their respective factions.

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    But they need that big TV to watch and seems like they can only watch one thing at a time. They probably have other evil things to do and having the roaches around means they can passively gather information. Sure, it's not quite the same as having a major pawn on the team, but exerting heavy influence on either Xykon or Redcloak would be difficult if not impossible (they needed V's once a century deal to get Xykon moving last time, after all). The Fiends are complex schemers and don't leave much to chance, not to mention there's no one else on Team Evil that even remotely makes sense as a spy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    It is abundantly clear that the roaches work for this guy.
    If that is true, why did Jirix smash one of them, probably because he did not want to be observed in his duties in Gobbotopia?

    Is there a possibility that the Goblinoids are working on a plan against the Giant?

    Do the Goblinoids hold the Giant responsible for their suffering?

    Do they think the Snarl can be used to blackmail the Giant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginasius View Post
    If that is true, why did Jirix smash one of them, probably because he did not want to be observed in his duties in Gobbotopia?

    Is there a possibility that the Goblinoids are working on a plan against the Giant?

    Do the Goblinoids hold the Giant responsible for their suffering?

    Do they think the Snarl can be used to blackmail the Giant?

    Sinister questions... Dum, dum, dum, dum...
    What you have to remember is that, although it's abundantly clear to us that the roaches work for The Giant, it may not be so obvious to Jirix, who lacks our perspective. He probably thinks he's doing The Giant a favor by "thinning the herd" and bumping off some of the weaker villainous characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    What you have to remember is that, although it's abundantly clear to us that the roaches work for The Giant, it may not be so obvious to Jirix, who lacks our perspective. He probably thinks he's doing The Giant a favor by "thinning the herd" and bumping off some of the weaker villainous characters.
    Jirix doesn't even know about The Giant, though, except inasmuch as all the characters are sometimes aware that they're operating in a story. But this genre awareness comes and goes, except for the roaches for whom it's seemingly permanent.

    Jirix was just fed up with the constant sarcastic background remarks, and he was finally able to do something about it; once Team Evil had left the building, nobody would object if the remaining roaches were done away with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Paul View Post
    Jirix doesn't even know about The Giant, though, except inasmuch as all the characters are sometimes aware that they're operating in a story. But this genre awareness comes and goes, except for the roaches for whom it's seemingly permanent.

    Jirix was just fed up with the constant sarcastic background remarks, and he was finally able to do something about it; once Team Evil had left the building, nobody would object if the remaining roaches were done away with.
    Knowing there are 9 sides COULD be in-world knowledge IF they have access to knowledge like the Oracle does....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    What you have to remember is that, although it's abundantly clear to us that the roaches work for The Giant, it may not be so obvious to Jirix, who lacks our perspective. He probably thinks he's doing The Giant a favor by "thinning the herd" and bumping off some of the weaker villainous characters.
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    Sweet merciful heavens, someone please throw an /s in here somewhere, I'm freaking out!
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    I personally think we should assume that alll text in this thread is blue, more fun that way.
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    Ask not for whom the roaches work, they work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I personally think we should assume that alll text in this thread is blue, more fun that way.
    But of course ! The color blue is inherently funnier than the color black !
    We even have a long and extensive control group study : Adam West's Batman was funnier than Burton's, as could be expected from their Batsuit colors.
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