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    Default Re: What loss rate of starships would prevent interstellar shipping?

    And when those societies fall behind they try to make it up via military conquest, and that's where we get our military space opera. Roger Mcbride Allen wrote one with that theme, and it was quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post
    And when those societies fall behind they try to make it up via military conquest, and that's where we get our military space opera. Roger Mcbride Allen wrote one with that theme, and it was quite good.

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    "We can def take those more advanced and numerous opponents due to our Morale Superiority!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    "We can def take those more advanced and numerous opponents due to our Morale Superiority!"
    Worked for Alexander against the Persians, and for Japan against Russia (1905) , and for 400 Conquistadores against the thousands of the Aztec Empire. But it takes more than morale superiority; the target society must have crippling issues of its own.

    ETA: For that matter, small countries throwing large superpowers out was a feature of the 20th century. Numbers and technology are meaningless if one side has the will to fight and the other does not.

    ... of course, there have been plenty of other times when smaller nations have underestimated the fighting capacity of their larger neighbors and been horribly curb stomped. But it's those few times when it actually worked that keeps these incidents recurring over and over inhistory. Same reason everyone buys lottery tickets despite the fact that big winners are extremely rare.

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    Worked for Alexander against the Persians, and for Japan against Russia (1905) , and for 400 Conquistadores against the thousands of the Aztec Empire. But it takes more than morale superiority; the target society must have crippling issues of its own.

    ETA: For that matter, small countries throwing large superpowers out was a feature of the 20th century. Numbers and technology are meaningless if one side has the will to fight and the other does not.

    ... of course, there have been plenty of other times when smaller nations have underestimated the fighting capacity of their larger neighbors and been horribly curb stomped. But it's those few times when it actually worked that keeps these incidents recurring over and over inhistory. Same reason everyone buys lottery tickets despite the fact that big winners are extremely rare.

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    Agreed, but I think we should avoid elucidation.

    I'm going to pick up that book you mentioned, seems like a good read. Are there followups or is it a one off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    Agreed, but I think we should avoid elucidation.

    I'm going to pick up that book you mentioned, seems like a good read. Are there followups or is it a one off?
    Torch of Honor, along with Rogue Powers, comprise a Two volume set: Allies and Aliens. This was later released As a single book .

    In the first novel, a planet descended from just the kind of "doesn't play well with others" types you mention launch an interstellar invasion of a neighboring planet, hoping to make up for economic failure with military success. Our heroes oppose this attempt.

    The second book follows directly from the first, in which an alien species makes contact with both combatants.

    There's a fair amount of interesting SF in both stories, but it's old-school space opera, no question.

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    Planets full of isolationist monoculures would probably become common. Once those are established and fall behind more progressive societies trade to get access to things they are inefficient at making or don't have the technology for would help prop the trade system up.
    And at least some of those progressive societies would try to actually make as many planets dependent on the traders as possible. So some Spacing Guild could form or an equivalent of Hansa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pendell View Post
    And when those societies fall behind they try to make it up via military conquest, and that's where we get our military space opera. Roger Mcbride Allen wrote one with that theme, and it was quite good.

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    Well I got an answer for the original question and a book recommendation out of this thread. I declare this thread officially successful. Thank you pendell.
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