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2013-06-22, 03:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Creating food with the wizard spell list
What it says on the tin. What are the ways a wizard can create food? Currently I have stone to flesh and summoning creatures to have them create food for you.
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2013-06-22, 03:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Well, always Burning Hands cast on a chicken coop.
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2013-06-22, 03:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Prestidigitation probably can, minor creation definitely can. Both may cause cancer, though.
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2013-06-22, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Polymorph any object.
Presto can most definitely not make food.I can do a thousand now.
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2013-06-22, 04:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Magnificent Mansion definitely can.
Limited Wish and Wish obviously can.
Fabricate probably can.
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2013-06-22, 04:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Summon Monster might. Anything that calls a real critter definitely can.
Fabricate would require an a Craft: Alchemy check.Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2013-06-22 at 04:07 AM.
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2013-06-22, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Why not? It can create small objects, but they look crude and artificial. So you create an ugly baked potato. It lacks the ability to duplicate other spell effects, but if you took that to mean you can't create food with it (because that would be duplicating create food and water), you also wouldn't be able to create anything, because that would be duplicating minor creation.
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2013-06-22, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
The materials created by a prestidigitation spell are extremely fragile, and they cannot be used as tools, weapons, or spell components.
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2013-06-22, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
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2013-06-22, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
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2013-06-22, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Cast "Mount" and cook the horse quickly?
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2013-06-22, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Yeah, but in game parlance things are either "Creatures" (which requires not being dead), or "Objects" (Anything else). A corpse, for example, is an object. As is a chair. A living tree would be a "Creature". A pile of firewood is an "object".
There's not really a "non living material" category, other than Object.Currently sick as a dog and unable to focus properly. Will heal soon.
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2013-06-22, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
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2013-06-22, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Usually, I'd agree, but since prestidigitation's text seems to do such a distinction, citing "non living material" and "objects" in different contexts, I believe it's an important point (specific trumps general, yadda yadda).
I'll try to explain:
'cause "Prestidigitation can create small objects"
and You can "move, clean, or soil an object"
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you can "chill, warm, or flavor 1 pound of nonliving material".
In this context, it seems to me that the food is implied to be a nonliving material, not an object. Although the distinction may be stupid.Last edited by Killer Angel; 2013-06-22 at 05:06 AM.
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2013-06-22, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
It's a weird distinction. Honestly I always figured it was for something else. Not to cover Food necessarily, but so you don't do things like make Level 1 Commoners catnip flavored for very cruel shenanigans.
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2013-06-22, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
According to the SRD, common plants such as trees are living objects.
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2013-06-22, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that's the only potential reading. I think that you can consider nonliving material as a subset of objects. Thus, you'd be able to create a plant, because it's an object, but you wouldn't be able to subsequently chill, warm, or flavor that plant, because it's alive. Thus, all nonliving material is an object (maybe. I dunno if there's some really weird example of a nonliving non-object. At the very least, I'm claiming a huge overlap), but not all objects are nonliving material.
Edit: I just came up with an obvious example, which are undead and constructs. I dunno if those qualify as "nonliving material" though, even though they get the "nonliving" part down. Anyway, the idea is that there is nonliving material that is an object, and there are objects that are nonliving material. They're not perfectly distinct by any means.Last edited by eggynack; 2013-06-22 at 05:15 AM.
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2013-06-22, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Do I contradict myself?
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2013-06-22, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-22, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Like I said, cancer. If the food manages to get incorporated into a cell, best case scenario is that it autolyses. If it gets incorporated into DNA, it'll cause gross mutations when the magic runs out and the food disappears. Gross mutations generally either cause cell death or cancer.
Of course, there's no indication in the rules that you have to actually digest the food; you only have to eat it.Author of The Auspician's Handbook and The Tempestarian's Handbook for Spheres of Power.Greenman by Bradakhan/Spring Greenman by Comissar/Autumn Greenman by Sgt. Pepper/Winter Greenman by gurgleflep
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2013-06-22, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
You can always research and write your own spells. That's what my casters do when they want something unusual.
One of them has a spell that creates a feast for up to 12, with any food items the caster wants. It's like a Heroes Feast only the food is absolutely normal, providing no magical benefits whatsoever. He also has one based on Leoumund's Secure Shelter which makes a MUCH larger, better furnished shelter, with two floors, multiple bedrooms, a large hot tub, all kinds of stuff. Of course it's an 8th level spell, too, and requires a bit of a monetary component to cast.
That guy likes to travel in style. One of his goals was to live better on the road than he could in the most expensive inn in Greyhawk.Last edited by Krobar; 2013-06-22 at 07:27 AM.
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2013-06-22, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Neither Prestidigitation nor Minor Creation can practically speaking produce food, because both have limited duration. I mean, you could make food with them and eat it, but it won't be nourishing if it disappears after an hour.
Prestidigitation can, however, turn something that's technically edible but unpalatable into something you won't retch to eat. And a lot of not-food items fall into that category.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2013-06-22, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
How about precedent then? Can't recall the book off the top of my head, probably MiC or Arms and Equipment Guide, but there's a wondrous item that creates nutritionless snack foods at will. The spell used to create it is prestidigitation. Aside from trying to make a 0th level spell duplicate a 3rd level spell not working in the first place.
Summon Monster VI can summon a Janni, which can then use it's Create Food and Water SLA for you. Lesser Planar Binding could also do the job, but if you're got the resources to properly bind a creature you should have access to food (unless the entrance to your underground lab collapsed, trapping you inside with no spells other than LPB, in which case you should be looking for something with a teleport that works on people).Fizban's Tweaks and Brew: Google Drive (PDF), Thread
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2013-06-22, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Items don't always work the same way as the spells used to create them, though. I mean, it's probably a good thing that a flaming burst longsword doesn't work like Fireball.
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2013-06-22, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
5th level spell. Leomund's Billet from Hero's of Battle can feed and house up to 40 people.
Also you can find permanent versions of the Summon monster spells in Waterdeep: City of Splendor.
Keep in mind that you can make trail bars with Craft Alchemy as well. Several kinds now that I think about it.
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2013-06-22, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Cast Magic Missile to kill some birds or squirrels for dinner?
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2013-06-22, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
It is not in either of those. Those contain Everfull Mug, Everlasting Feedbag, and Everlasting Rations, which require Create Water, Create Food and Water, and Create Food and Water, respectively.
Also: Arcane Disciple (or other means of getting domain spells on your list):Creation, Feat, or Gluttony domains; or Rainbow Servant would eventually net you Create Food and Water.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2013-06-22, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
A classic: Use Stone to Flesh on a boulder, cook it with Burning Hands (or with a normal fire) and spice it with Prestidigitation.
Another one, for high level folks: cast Gate, call some extraplanar whales, kill them, cook and eat them (since Gate is a Calling spell, the corpses of the summoned creatures stay after death.
Or just research the spell Transmutate Earth to Bread and Transmutate Earth to Pork.Last edited by Clistenes; 2013-06-22 at 11:48 AM.
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2013-06-22, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-22, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Creating food with the wizard spell list
Just out of curiosity... What type of flesh is made when you cast Stone to Flesh? I mean, are we talking chicken? Does this stuff bleed? Trying to visualize a wizard casting it on a thin wall in order to get through it.. When the barbarian rips it open, is it full of blood, or is this cooked flesh? o_O