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2020-10-25, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothesis about Minrahs role in the story
Also, while V is perhaps not the most reliable of people at the time, Belker was once described as having two buckets "hate and lust". It would be fitting, in my opinion, for him to form a genuine friendship instead, with the first person to know him after he started changing.
Also some personal bias towards the idea that not *every* main character in a work needs a love interest anyway and that forcing the matter is one of the plagues on far too many stories.
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2020-10-25, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
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Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-10-25, 10:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-25, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-25, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-25, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have my own hypothesis about Belkar's brain. Discussion starts here.
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2020-10-25, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-25, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothesis about Minrahs role in the story
My personal take on this is that she is there to be a way for Belkar to show his less evil ways without the cynicism of the rest of the party.
It’s strange but I don’t recall much interaction between Belkar and elan who would be the most supportive of such a turnaround after Durkon.
She also acts as a necessary side character for Durkon’s solo stuff like the Astral journey and the negotiation. She has that slightly looser style that allows her to come up with clever ideas.'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2020-10-26, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, that's pretty much V through the first few books; remember when Elan wanted to MC into Wizard? FWIW, I've met quite a lot of very intelligent people IRL who are that arrogant and that condescending. It's not like Rich didn't have a lot of RL models to work from; I will take a wild guess and opine that he's had similar experiences. All he had to do was make a slight caricature of a common personality type and voila: V.
@Ron: wow, that thread's ten years old.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-10-26 at 07:24 AM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-10-26, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hypothesis about Minrahs role in the story
I would say her purpose is more than to be there for any one character, but to as a whole show a new perspective on the order, how they've grown, and how the story has grown with them. It looks like there won't be any new allies in the final arc, just the order and the two paladins. Minrah is there to prove a new non-antagonist for the Order to have new interactions with, like Wrecan, or Ian, or (for a time) Malack and Tarkin, or Hinjo, or (for a time) Miko. It would be a little bit more dull if Oona and the two invisibles were the only people in the final arc that we haven't known for 10+ years.
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2020-10-29, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you really want to know what role Minrah has in the story it gets a paragraph or two in one of the commentaries for book six.
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2020-10-30, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Agreed, though I think this page is more significantly so.
Minrah is an outside observer. She's here to stomp bad guys, sure, but she's also seeing all of this for the first time, and that means she has unique insights into what is going on that the others don't. Including Redcloak.
I suspect she's important because she complements Durkon. At some point, Durkon has to convince Redcloak to turn on Xykon, and accept what the goblins in this world have, right now. That would be a difficult task on his own, but now there is Minrah, too. And her contribution so far has been to force Redcloak to see that he's taken his eye off the ball. It's almost a good cop/bad cop (polite cleric/blunt cleric?) relationship.
And she's not just here to help. She's here so that she and Durkon can do this together.Last edited by Sky_Schemer; 2020-10-30 at 12:55 AM.
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2020-10-30, 07:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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People who have put a lot of time and effort into something typically resent others taking shortcuts to achieve the same thing. And that's in all fields, not just the more intelligence-driven fields like academia. Just think of how universal "back in my days" is.
Part of that is driven from a sense of justice (equal results should stem from equal investment), another part from egoism (this new person challenges my status), another part from pride/sunk-cost (this new easier solution suggests I was stupid to put all the investment I did).
It's human nature.Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2020-10-31, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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If a sudden whirlwind romance dose break out.
It could be another point for the "B" lives by changing his name argument.I should get a Signature
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2020-10-31, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-31, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-01, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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"From this day forward, I'm no longer Belkar Bitterleaf. From now on, please call me Bullcrap Bitchleaf!"
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2020-11-01, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've always predicted "Rakleb".
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2020-11-02, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Count Stabbula? Unbelkar? Goodkar? Reedemy Goodshoes? Posi-Halfling? Belkzarro? The Halfling Previously Known as Belkar? Brad?
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2020-11-02, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-03, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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