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    I really don't think Q. He has no reason to bother himself with Georgiou, and why base himself on a geographical location.

    I mean, the only powerful being that I think would fit the modus Operandi of a targeted portal is the Guardian of Forever. But the aesthetic don't match the old episodes.

    Anyway. I think Georgiou dissociation problem is that she doesn't feel she belongs in the Prime Verse. Like she said: she is trapped in her version of Mirror Universe. The purpose of this quest is for her to accept that her a Prime Universe is ours.
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    I'd seen discussions elsewhere that lean towards the Guardian of Forever, mainly because Carl's newspaper has several references specifically to the events from The City on the Edge of Forever.

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    I'd seen discussions elsewhere that lean towards the Guardian of Forever, mainly because Carl's newspaper has several references specifically to the events from The City on the Edge of Forever.
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    Love it when the actors can go all ham Especially Sonequa, though of course Michelle Yeoh always takes the cake.

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    The planet is in the Gamma Quadrant I think, so not the Guardian of Forever. I guess it could be a Q, but the computer/sphere pointed out that specific planet and location so it's probably a local inhabitant/feature.

    Edit: derp, didn't see all the new posts. GoF it is then?
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    Well, now we know who Carl is.

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    He really was the Guardian of Forever. Apparently after the Temporal Wars, he packed up and moved to another planet.

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    Well, now we know who Carl is.

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    He really was the Guardian of Forever. Apparently after the Temporal Wars, he packed up and moved to another planet.
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    Hot damn. I wonder where and when the main character ended up after her departure.

    In the Prime Universe? The Mirror Universe? Before DIS? After TOS? After DS9?

    Is she gonna appear in Picard?!

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    Hot damn. I wonder where and when the main character ended up after her departure.

    In the Prime Universe? The Mirror Universe? Before DIS? After TOS? After DS9?

    Is she gonna appear in Picard?!
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    She was slated to star in the Section 31 show, is what I heard. So I assume that is what this is setting up. Not sure what year it is supposed to take place, though.

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    Ooooohhhhh that was a fun episode!! Goddamn To Be Continued

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    Ooooohhhhh that was a fun episode!! Goddamn To Be Continued
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    I agree for the most part, great to see Doug get a chance to be out of costume even if the justification was a bit odd.

    Only big downside was I was hoping Tilly would get a win during her first time at command. Even if the ship was still lost it would have been nice to see it be more of a contest.

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    I agree for the most part, great to see Doug get a chance to be out of costume even if the justification was a bit odd.

    Only big downside was I was hoping Tilly would get a win during her first time at command. Even if the ship was still lost it would have been nice to see it be more of a contest.
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    I would count not getting any of the crew killed as a "win" personally. I suspect Burnham will say the same.


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    She was slated to star in the Section 31 show, is what I heard. So I assume that is what this is setting up. Not sure what year it is supposed to take place, though.
    My guess - she will be there to help found that organization.

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    Su'Kal reminds me of characters like Gary Mitchell from Where No Man Has Gone Before, Charlie from Charlie X, John Doe from Transfigurations, or even Kes from Voyager, as characters who for whatever reason gained potentially dangerous almost god like powers. So while I would have preferred a more scientifically plausible explanation for The Burn, this isn't unheard of in the Trek verse. Also, hopefully the dilithium planet is acting like a amplifier for his powers, and if they take him to a normal planet he can just live out a regular life, because he seems to dangerous to let live otherwise if him getting upset will screw over the entire galaxy, again.
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    I would count not getting any of the crew killed as a "win" personally. I suspect Burnham will say the same.
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    Unfortunately it's hard to call that a win as Osyraa wasn't trying to kill anyone, and Tilly was supposed to blow the ship rather than let the spore drive fall into enemy hands.

    All I'm saying is that at the very least I'm hoping Tilly is able to retake the ship without needing to be saved by Michael.

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    Unfortunately it's hard to call that a win as Osyraa wasn't trying to kill anyone, and Tilly was supposed to blow the ship rather than let the spore drive fall into enemy hands.

    All I'm saying is that at the very least I'm hoping Tilly is able to retake the ship without needing to be saved by Michael.
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    That would be my guess as well. *Tilly* will retake the ship. Maybe she will use Michael's assistance, but Tilly will have her chance to win back her ship.

    Also, one of Starfleet's best captain had his ship taken over by Ferengi salvagers, so it's not like Tilly's defeat today is career-ending. In my opinion, she probably did as well as she could have with the information she had. She couldn't anticipate a MicroBurn.

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    As far as they have said Section 31: the TV show is set in the "couple years before Kirk" timeline. But I'd guess they will time jump around too.


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    It would have been bad enough if the Burn was some evil company, Spaceron, that was trying to make super dodexhexaderdron -ithium that 'cause galaxy warming" or if some beyond dumb bad guy was using the Brun as a way to rule the galaxy.

    But it's beyond bad when it's a dumb little kidz. It's one of the worst tropes in Sci fi: that dumb kidz can destroy the world/galaxy. It's SO annoying. And if it WAS true.....the whole universe would be destroyed in less then a second....one kid does not want to eat brussel sprouts...and bam, everything gone. SO DUMB.



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    THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIKE STAR TREK DISCOVERY ???

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    Woa.

    That honestly never occured to me.

    I tried watching S03E01 and I was terminally turned off after 2 minutes.

    Well I guess that explains why that show is still around. For the life of me I couldnt figure out why thats the case.
    Time will tell. Or not.

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    It's popular enough to produce three seasons (fourth one has already been greenlit), plus six spinoffs, so...yeah. Lots of people like it.

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    Woa.

    That honestly never occured to me.

    I tried watching S03E01 and I was terminally turned off after 2 minutes.

    Well I guess that explains why that show is still around. For the life of me I couldnt figure out why thats the case.
    A ****ton of people like Discovery. You gotta watch it before you decided that you disliked it my man.

    I don't see how you can let 2 minutes of a solo scene turn you off to an entire show, unless you hate something specifically about the actress.

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    Well I guess that explains why that show is still around. For the life of me I couldnt figure out why thats the case.
    It's popular. And good. Not a difficult concept.

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    Unfortunately it's hard to call that a win as Osyraa wasn't trying to kill anyone, and Tilly was supposed to blow the ship rather than let the spore drive fall into enemy hands.

    All I'm saying is that at the very least I'm hoping Tilly is able to retake the ship without needing to be saved by Michael.
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    And oh look at that, the minor characters ended up saving the day. So yeah, keeping everyone alive was a win.

    Of course they needed Michael - just like Michael needed them. That's kind of the point of the show. I am happy that Michael got the chair in the end, as Georgiou foreshadowed right before she left.

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    And oh look at that, the minor characters ended up saving the day. So yeah, keeping everyone alive was a win.

    Of course they needed Michael - just like Michael needed them. That's kind of the point of the show. I am happy that Michael got the chair in the end, as Georgiou foreshadowed right before she left.
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    Except, that wasn't what I was hoping for. At the end of Su'Kal, under Tilly's first command, Discovery was hijacked almost comically easily. I don't really blame her for that, but it was her 1st command, and I was hoping for a "win" for her, even if she lost the ship.
    Preventing an enemy objective, making the takeover much more difficult than anticipated, etc, and that really didn't happen. Even the villains gloated over how poor her performance was as captain the next episode. I really can't count keeping everyone alive a win given how often the villain was shouting not to kill anyone until after the negotiations collapsed.

    In return, I was hoping retaking Discovery would be more her moment. I don't need her Kirk-punching the villain, but she should have been in command, leading, coming up with plans, inspiring, etc. And she wasn't. She was brave, she contributed, but she really didn't come off as in command much at all. Instead, as always, the show needs to make it perfectly clear that Michael is and always will be the hero. Michael makes the big decisions, Michael comes up with the plans (even when it should have been Tilly to come up with the way to get the ship out of warp at the end). And, realistically, that's Discovery to date, love it or leave it. I just don't find Michael that interesting, and S3 seemed to be making promising steps towards giving the other characters more time to shine.

    I'm just a bit disappointed that's all. I said I was hoping that Tilly wouldn't need to be rescued by Michael and that's pretty much what happened. I liked Tilly's promotion to First Officer this season, I just hoped her first command would be more of a moment for her.

    Still, overall, good season. Easily Discovery's best, and very enjoyable. I think the show has finally come into its own, and I'm looking forward to season 4.

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    Tilly did have moments:
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    The morse code trick, figuring out how to reach the nacelles to execute Michael's plan, and most importantly of all, listening to her experts (like Owo and Book) when it counted. That she needs just a bit more seasoning before she can be on Michael's level is understandable and not a reflection of her talent. I expect she'll have the opportunity to gain more XO experience in Season 4, and this will likely culminate in an arc for her character.


    As for Michael, she served as First Officer for several years (under Georgiou Prime no less, an A-tier captain/mentor in her own right) before the show even began. That she has more experience than Tilly, who had the job for less than a week, barely warrants comment.

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    Doesn't Tilly still have several ranks to climb before she can actually be a fully fledged captain? (other than by battlefield promotion, I mean)

    As a final consideration on Michael.. and how her role has been in these series so far.. I have a few gripes that have to do with how she always gets away with complete disregard for anything but her own opinion/guess/intuition of the episode..
    In some of the conversations she derailed, she shouldn't even have been in the room.
    I understand that she's the main protagonist despite Star Trek usually being a team thing (and sorry, but this iteration just isn't).. but this thing did annoy me on multiple occasions.

    Also.. her final line?
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    She should have gone with "gelato".. not with "let's fly"
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    The fact that Michael came out as "the absolute best of Starfleet on all possible fronts" really pisses me off.

    I like Michael. She's a great character, and respect her sense of morality. But I don't think she's Starfleet Command material.

    She should be a Starfleet diplomat/intelligence/operative. She has a lot more talent and attitude about that. She does best when she's on her side mission and the crew is doing their thing.

    I dislike when she just single handely save the crew because the story said she had to.

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    The time that Michael had her victory handed to her, I think, is during her bluff during the torture scene. What an ass pull. Victory through stupidity.
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