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2020-10-19, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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All red!
It's not necessarily that easy to get the same colour with pre-industrial pigments (without magic*).
*yes, magic is available, but it's an additional assumption that has to be made on top of all the othersungelic is us
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2020-10-19, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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They have known MiTD to be friendly with O-Chul since Azure City. If they’d have thought he was capable of turning against them, they’d have done something a long time ago. They think he’s a harmless doofus.
Prestidigitation (linked to upthread) is a zeroth level spell two members of the order have access to. Okay they probably forgot Elan existed but they remember V.Forum Wisdom
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2020-10-19, 11:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-19, 11:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Place where shots were fired" is not in any way analogous to "shooting range".
Yes, I picked "police issue gun" for a reason. It's not like those are only made for police and only police carry them and civilians can't. It's like a cop car - it's just what they use. However, if a Crown Vic ran over a guy and your partner was on that street and the car is a little beat up, yeah, it's time to ask a couple of questions.
Need I link to that strip again?
Again, Oona has only ever been proactively helpful as far as we and they can tell.
I'm not saying that they are immediately going to zero in on MitD like hawks and suss out what has been happening. But you seem to be insisting that they're just going to bury their heads in the sand and I don't buy that for a second.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-10-19 at 11:31 AM.
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2020-10-19, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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If she had found a new trail inside the door that was not left by Durkon and Minrah (since they never actually went in) she should be able to tell that it's a different trail. She had no problem discerning between tracks left by Durkon and Minrah when following their actual trail to the door.
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2020-10-19, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-19, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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If a tree falls in the forest and the PCs aren't around to hear it... what do I roll to see how loud it is?
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2020-10-19, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Taking into account that half the fun of 3.5 is trying to interpret the rules...the spell description itself says that, "The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves." Within that effect is absolute silence. Again, per the description. Unwilling recipients get a Will save against the effects. Greyview got one, and blew it.
If any of the other three members of TE got within 20 feet of Greyview, why wouldn't they be subject to the spell---so long as they remained within 20 feet---barring a save and spell resistance? Especially if Greyview---running Silently---is able to get within 20 feet, or whatever the radius is, without TE noticing.
In practice, it's a Will save, and probably trivial for RC. Maybe X too. Provided they're not up to their necks in monsters, easy to Dispel.
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2020-10-19, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree. In fact, because of the problems you're talking about it is unlikely all the marked doors are exactly the same shade of red even with members of Team Evil having made all the marks, because each time they mix up a new bucket of paint it will be a slightly different shade, and the paint is unlikely to be all one uniform shade even in each individual bucket.
Put simply, there's no way for Redcloak to tell that all of the marks were made with the same paint, which was my original point.
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2020-10-19, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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If you have another example of a place where half a dozen people regularly come to shoot guns, I’ll take it.
Yes, I picked "police issue gun" for a reason. It's not like those are only made for police and only police carry them and civilians can't. It's like a cop car - it's just what they use. However, if a Crown Vic ran over a guy and your partner was on that street and the car is a little beat up, yeah, it's time to ask a couple of questions.
Need I link to that strip again?
Again, Oona has only ever been proactively helpful as far as we and they can tell.
[quite]I'm not saying that they are immediately going to zero in on MitD like hawks and suss out what has been happening. But you seem to be insisting that they're just going to bury their heads in the sand and I don't buy that for a second.[/QUOTE]
No. I responded to Psyren stating that « this will tip them off about MiTD pretty quickly » which, as far as my understanding of English goes is exactly equivalent to « immediately zero in on MitD ». I don’t think it will, because it is far more logical to suspect the order until given any reason otherwise. And if they somehow rule that out, then the bugbears are still a more likely suspect than Monster-san.
« Just bury their head in the sand » is a gross mischaracterization if my position. Are we on the same page?Forum Wisdom
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2020-10-19, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2020-10-19, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Great comic again! Thank you Giant!
As for the discussion as to whom Team Evil will suspect of sabotage painting: if there were other people in the valley, wouldn't Greyview have smelled them? How long would scent last in that environment?I reserved the right to be wrong. I just try not to exercise it.
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2020-10-19, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's a very good point.
My interpretation is that all of those saves apply if the spell is being cast on a person, but not if a person is merely within the area of effect of a Silence spell. I'm not convinced that any of these saves etc. allow one to make noise within a sound-dead area.
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I wonder, is Durkon's Wind Walk still active?
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2020-10-19, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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And Redcloak's math suggests that he has been painting the doors most of the time after (unless he marked an enormous number of doors that one time)
No, they don't. We know practically nothing whatsoever about them, other than that they like the monsters for resources and the monsters always return. Again, this is practically the definition of burying their heads in the sand.
ETA: That's burying their heads in the sand about what is happening. You are claiming they are going to bury their heads in the sand about who is doing it.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-10-19 at 12:03 PM.
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2020-10-19, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-10-19, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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The silence spell does not allow a saving throw or spell resistance if it cast on an unattended object or point in space. It only allows SR/Saves if cast on an unwilling creature or item in the direct possession of an unwilling creature. The save/SR isn't to avoid the effect of silence, merely avoid having the spell cast upon someone in the first place.
Also silence prevents casting of spells with spoken components so unless Red Cloak has a silent dispel prepared, or Xylon has both silent spell and a non-epic dispel known they actually can't remove the effect of silence from within it.
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Was already thinking of a wolf animal companion build, and then I get wholesome Greyview content!
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2020-10-19, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ignore this post. I was thinking of something else when I wrote it..
Last edited by Jason; 2020-10-20 at 08:18 AM. Reason: Multiple people pointed out I was very wrong. Mea culpa.
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2020-10-19, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, it suggests he has done it again, not that he did it the most.
No, they don't. We know practically nothing whatsoever about them, other than that they like the monsters for resources and the monsters always return.
Again, this is practically the definition of burying their heads in the sand.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2020-10-19 at 12:12 PM.
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2020-10-19, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Um, silence is basically a flat NOPE to almost all casters in close quarters (like many places inside a dungeon), and it's only level 2. How many useful spells have no verbal component?
IMAO it's part of a standard cleric loadout for combat. If you want to call it situational, then the situation it's good for is "we're fighting a group or a caster or both in a situation where the enemy is unable or unwilling to run out of the radius of the spell", given that once you're in melee, leaving the area of the spell provokes, this is so common that a high level cleric ought to consider carrying a wand for it.
Then there are ALSO the uses for stealth and concealment, which are legion.Last edited by Doug Lampert; 2020-10-19 at 12:25 PM.
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Well yes, that’s the point, neutralize a spellcaster. It’s not like it’s a be-all-end-all, the spellcaster can just move a bit to the side and be fine. Unless you think that Durkon, Durkula (Arguably, hard to tell if the spell affected him), Minrah, and Gontor (all clerics) all failed their will saves against the Silence spell ?
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I am reminded, by your post, of the movie The Usual Suspects and for how long who Keyser Söze was remained a mystery even to the cast.
Spoiler: rumors of cast confusion(There was a story going around a few years back that Gabriel Byrne was convinced that Keyser Söze was his character, in the end).Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-10-19, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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If it was the first instance of weirdness around MitD I'd agree with you. But between this, O-Chul's improbable escape, and his insistence on them not taking out the Order in the desert only to have them show up in the North Pole, I'd say it's reasonable for Redcloak at least to start being suspicious.
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