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2020-10-22, 02:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
Hello guys :)
I am playing a new game where I choose to play a Golaith Zealot Barbarian.
I am planning on taking GWM, Sentinel and Res wis.
The other ASI I plan to take in Con and after that in STR.
My Stats are:
16, 16, 14, 13, 10, 10
Or
17, 14, 14, 11, 10, 9
Or
16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 9
I can't choose which to take(they are not in order, I can move them around).
This is before racial bonuses.
I will be happy to hear your advice on the relevant stats.
I am playing a holy warrior of Pearun(a Slavic god of a lot of stuff).
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2020-10-22, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I would take the third selection: 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 9
STR 16, DEX 14, CON 15, INT 9 (or 12), WIS 13, CHA 12 (or 9)
After raciais should be like that: STR 18 (+2), DEX 14, CON 16 (+1), INT 9 (or 12), WIS 13, CHA 12 (or 9)
By following this, you are able to get as best as possible stats in STR and CON. A 14 in DEX makes sure you can leverage the second best mundane AC using Half-Plate and an odd score in WIS is perfect to round up after you get Resilient.Last edited by Ir0ns0ul; 2020-10-22 at 06:36 AM.
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2020-10-22, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I would take the first set with 2 16.
STR 16
CON 16
DEX 14
WIS 13
INT 10
CHA 10
This leaves you with high scores in your key stats, DEX for good initiative and AC, and a slight bonus on your saves against the majority of mental spells (WIS)... plus no penalties to the other mental stats, so you don't feel like he has to be dumb or awkward.
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2020-10-22, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-22, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
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2020-10-22, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I keep a bookmark of a LudicSavant thread listing them all. For Con, it's mostly racial half-feats, but you could pick up Durable. There's also Tavern Brawler and Resilient, but obviously the latter applied to Constitution isn't that useful to a Barb.
With starting stats of CON 17 / WIS 13, I'd probably be inclined to round both them up on my first ASI. It'd mean picking up Resilient (Wisdom) later on would give you an odd score again, though.Avatar by me. Behold my art thread for a bigger-resolution view.
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2020-10-22, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I would be prone to either take the 1st or 3rd set of stats. Similar reasons to everyone who has already posted.
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2020-10-22, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
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2020-10-22, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
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2020-10-22, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
This
Or this.
I'd want an even Strength score of 16+ (including racials), same for Constitution, and an odd score in Wisdom to get the max benefit from resilient. Due to medium armor proficiency Dex is best started at 14 and left at 14. Int and Cha don't matter. As for which you want higher between Str or Con that's really up to you though conventual wisdom is get strength higher first.
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2020-10-22, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I would go the third set
16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 9
Str 18 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 9 Wis 13 Cha 12
Then you can take GWM at 4, Sentinel at 8, Resilient Wis at 12 to give you a +6 to wis saves, +2 Con/Str at 16, +2 Con/Str at 19.
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2020-10-22, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
Possible starting stats with first set:
Str 18, Dex 14, Con 17, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 10
Possible starting stats with second set:
Str 16, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 9 ("minimal-odds" build)
Str 19, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 10 ("looking forward to level 4" build)
Possible starting stats with third set
Str 18, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 9, Wis 13, Cha 12
Conclusions:
* If you don't care about INT and CHA, the first set is objectively better and at worst equal to the third. If you round up Con and Wis at fourth level, you will ultimately end up in the same place as someone with the third set who improves their CON then takes Resilient (Wisdom), but you will enjoy +2 Wis saves before getting the feat. If you simply round up Wis with the feat immediately, your Wisdom saves will be identical, but the third set will get a Con half-feat rather than an ASI (or a STR half-feat is they spend an ASI to do CON +1, STR+1). Durable or some of the other half-feats might not be particularly enticing, but it'd still be nicer to have them than to be otherwise identical but not have them.
(The odd-numbers here do mean, however, that if you wanted +1 to knowledge or social skills, perhaps for RP reasons, you wouldn't be set back by taking the third set.)
* I would generally prefer to have STR 18 than CON 18. That being the case, one of the second set's possible stats is unappealing compared to the first set, which as gravy would have the bonus of slightly better INT/CHA saves/checks.
* If you're willing, going to level 4 with 15 CON could come with dividends. With the second set, at level four you could max your STR and round CON up to 16. Then you can later pick up Resilient (Wis) to round-off your last score.Last edited by Lavaeolus; 2020-10-22 at 12:46 PM.
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2020-10-22, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
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2020-10-22, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
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2020-10-22, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
Yep, it's a bit of a trade-off. If you spend the ASI, you're a Barbarian with max'd Strength and overall decent stats, which is quite nice for a level 4 Barb.
But if you're getting the ASI, you are, of course, not getting a feat. I don't know what the pace of OP's campaign will be, but starting at 4 you'll probably spend some time getting to level 8, and it'll definitely be a while before you reach level 12. So there's valid reasons to go for an array that gets you STR 18 / CON 16 and more feat-choice during that time.Last edited by Lavaeolus; 2020-10-22 at 01:08 PM.
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2020-10-24, 02:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Having hard time choosing stats from rolls for a Golaith Zealot Barbarian
I'd take the 2nd set with 19 Str, 14 Dex, 15 Con, 13 Wis and take +1 Str/Con and GWM at levels 4 and 8 in either order and then Res(Wis) at level 12 if you make it that far.