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2020-10-28, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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What Lightning Strike? I couldn't find anything about it online.
And for the record, I am not ignoring some of the replies to me, I just prefer not to keep this discussion going any further here. If any of ya'll is really interested in discussing this, hit me up in DMs.
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2020-10-28, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-10-28 at 10:33 AM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-10-28, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see anything that would interfere with War Caster. Range: Self (5' radius) doesn't tell you what it targets. And Sneak Attack can be made with spell attacks (assuming, without any evidence, that its changed to that), as long as you use a finesse or ranged weapon to make the attack: Magic Stone shot from a sling is a prime example.
It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.
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2020-10-28, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Agreed. Unless it has actually been changed to a spell attack (which was just a "what if" that had been floated), the only conflict resulting from this change appears to be disallowing Spell Sniper for BB use with Reach weapons.
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2020-10-28, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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It was apparently a miss-understanding according to this page.
Probably mistaken for Lightning Lure.
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2020-10-28, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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One of my problems with BB is that it is a very all or nothing attack and is useless with multiattack. For rogues you really need to land that sneak attack and that means two attacks are way better than one. The best bet to overcome that is advantage/elvish accuracy.
I would probably prefer it as a smite like attack but then it would be way better than those smites as it is a cantrip.
Overall the balance and mechanics of BB always seemed off and poorly thought out.
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2020-10-28, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm generally pleased they seem to be dipping their toes in the water of daring to nerf things, but as long as dnd remains a primarily book first, online resources second game, these types of balancing changes will be few and far between.
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2020-10-28, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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For most classes that aren't rogue, that single attack is generally better than even two attacks (mathematically - until you have high powered weapons or upcast shadowblade), and plenty of classes only get a single attack. For them, they basically need a powerful cantrip to make melee work (tempest, forge, arcana clerics etc.
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2020-10-28, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I had a player that wanted to play an Alchemist based off the Pyromancers in a Song of Fire and Ice, (whom use a Green Napalm like substance).
I suggested GFB, the player like it, and I allowed it as Artificer Cantrip.
It was both effective thematically and mechanically.
(Which is the dream).Last edited by Thunderous Mojo; 2020-10-28 at 02:20 PM.
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2020-10-28, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep.
Without feats, A level 17 bladesinger can manage 5d8 + 20 in melee (ignoring BB and GFB riders).
A level 17 EK can manage pretty much the same with war magic (though, without two stat mods) at the cost of a bonus action (as can some bards), or something like 6d6+15 without.
The bladesinger has a tasty pile of spells for everything else; as well as access to stuff like foresight.
Feats help, but this becomes more of a case of feats being required for the EK to readily distinguish themselves at what is pretty much their main (if not only) niche than a case of “OMG gwm is so strong!”.Last edited by cutlery; 2020-10-28 at 03:18 PM.
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2020-10-28, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Setting aside advantage and shadow blade (available to both), and assuming accuracy is identical (to be fair, more ASIs spent on main stats for the Bladesigner, but they have spellcasting for utility).
BS can attack for 1d8+10 (rapier, +dex and +int from song of victory); bladesong must be active for song of victory.
The other 3d8 are from cantrip damage; as BB or GFB require a melee attack as part of the spell, they’d get 1d8+10 from that, too.
So, 5d8+20, or ~42.5 damage. Guess how much damage eldritch blast does at level 17?
The EK can attack once and BB, but has no song of victory, so 5d8+10, or 32.5 damage. Or they can triple attack with a maul for 6d6+15, or 36 damage. At level 20 they Catch up, and at 11 should have a lead until 14.
Feats give the edge to the EK, but without them it’s roughly even with them trading places for a long time.
The ek is better off forgoing war magic altogether and up casting shadow blade to level 3.
The bladesinger can do this too, or upcast to 5; a bladesigner can really pump out a lot of damage like this, and any spell cast earlier that grants bonus actions is available.Last edited by cutlery; 2020-10-28 at 03:40 PM.
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2020-10-28, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Precisely. As another measure - take a look at how many builds you find that feature Booming Blade as a large part of their damage generation. A cantrip shouldn't be that much of a game-changer that it seems most people consider it pretty much mandatory, if your GM allows the SCAG cantrips.
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2020-10-28, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Booming blade’s range is self but it still targets a single creature. You can’t hit everyone in the 5 foot radius with booming blade after all. I’d say it can still be used with war caster as an opportunity attack.
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2020-10-28, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd think 0% would be a safer assumption, in the case of BB. Bonus damage is a happy surprise, but you can't count on it, particularly with intelligent enemies.
GFB gets applied just as often as horde breaker is useful; I don't think 50% is quite reasonable for that, either.
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2020-10-28, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-28, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think you meant "sole melee combatant fighting a given monster", yes? If Bob and I are fighting Orogs, and each of us is fighting an Orog, I'm not going to be Booming Blading Bob's Orog (by definition, or he wouldn't be Bob's Orog). Therefore I'll get my Booming Blade bonus damage.
If Bob and I are focusing fire, we won't necessarily get the Booming Blade bonus damage but we'll get something better, like the opportunity for both of us to gain advantage and melee kite if one of us knocks the bad guy prone. And against a prone enemy, you don't really even need Mobile to avoid their opportunity attack. If I'm Booming Blade and Bob's a GWM/PAM, risking one opportunity attack at disadvantage in order to get Booming Blade bonus damage and a PAM reaction attack is probably worth it.
So, Booming Blade + Mobile winds up being weak in scenarios where a bunch of melee PCs are all fighting one giant melee monster together. It seems reasonable to guess that that's not going to happen more than 50% of the time. YMMV though.Last edited by MaxWilson; 2020-10-28 at 06:51 PM.