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2020-10-31, 05:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Is this a house rule?
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If a spell says that it takes effect when a creature enters it or moves into it, or similar wording, then the effect doesn’t apply if the spell is somehow moved onto a creature or created so it covers the creature. For example, Spirit Guardians. In such cases instead, a creature who finds itself inside such a spell’s area at the start of its turn suffers the effect at that time. This general rule applies when it is not clear; if a spell specifically says it takes effect immediately, then it still does so.Last edited by Mr Adventurer; 2020-10-31 at 05:15 AM.
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2020-10-31, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
You are correct. Usually those spells have a saving throw at the start of the creature's turn/when they enter the area to see if or how they're affected, which is a way to streamline the spell's effects.
So, not an house rule. It's very much how spells like Spirit Guardians are worded and explicitely meant to function.
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2020-10-31, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, it's a real issue and spells aren't always worded to solve it.
Here's Spirit Guardians - takes effect: "when the creature enters the area for the first time on a turn".
If I'm a Cleric and I cast the spell, the enemies surrounding me have entered the area of the spell on my turn.
If I cast the spell and move up to an enemy, it's entered the area of the spell on my turn.
If I cast the spell, and then an enemy grapples me and moves me so that other enemies are within 15 feet, then those other enemies have entered the spell on the grappler's turn.
If my ally Shoves an enemy into the spell, that enemy has entered the area on my ally's turn.
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2020-10-31, 07:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
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2020-10-31, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-31, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
If I toss a bucket of water at you, did you dive into the water?
If I cast the spell, and then an enemy grapples me and moves me so that other enemies are within 15 feet, then those other enemies have entered the spell on the grappler's turn.
If my ally Shoves an enemy into the spell, that enemy has entered the area on my ally's turn.
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2020-10-31, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
Maybe it's post Trick or Treating haze (our town does it on the 30th for some reason), but I'm having trouble understanding the issue.
If you cast spirit guardians where a creature is, or move it so that the creature is within its area of effect, the creature makes its save on the start of its next turn. Not immediately upon casting or moving it, but at the start of the creature's turn.
If a creature moves into your spirit guardians (whether on its turn or during someone else's turn), it immediately makes its save. If it moved as part of someone else's turn using its reaction somehow, it then makes a save again at the start of its turn.Last edited by EggKookoo; 2020-10-31 at 08:11 AM.
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2020-10-31, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-31, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
That's helpful, thank you.
Thanks for your interpretation.
Don't lecture me, that's rude. The thread is specifically about ruling to prevent "double dipping".
If you put a bucket on my head, my head enters the interior of the bucket.
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2020-10-31, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is this a house rule?
The idea of damaging a creature multiple times in a round by having say multiple people move them in and out of a hazard isn’t considered a bug but a feature. I’d two character decide to shove the same enemy back and forth between a moonbeam. It’s considered a viable tactic.
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