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Thread: Crazier Idea Mafia
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2020-11-10, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
So yeah, Apogee kept ninja'ing me so I was asking questions that he already answered.
While I don't think Apogee needs to be as worries about being Strongmanned (if that's in the game) he's making a lot of good points. Leaving my vote where it is for the moment but I'll think about this.
The problem with a Survivor Vigilante is that Apogee could turn on Town at any point and it's really up to which way he shoots.
@everyone Can anyone account for Xihirli's protection or a roleblock of Apogee?
If Xihirli flips a certain faction, it's still possible you're another faction that's against town. If you flip Survivor, we know Xi discarded the Survivor card but we can't confirm a faction.
I don't see what Xi gets by lying about this though. As soon as Apogee flips survivor we lynch Xi for being anti-town.
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2020-11-10, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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But if I am survivor
I'm confirmed not an actual bad faction
So voting me off is directly anti-town
And you seem to be treating me as the survivor
You Xihirli's buddy?
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Well if Xihirli flips before I do
I'll have gotten a vig shot off and that confirms me as survivor
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Also guys wouldn't it be great to have beaten to death with a tactical flashlight as one of the kill notifications tomorrow
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2020-11-10, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Let's be clear: you're confirmed nothing at the moment, it's just your word vs Xihirli's. And the underlined part is a straight-up exaggeration: voting you off could potentially help us get rid of a baddie (if you're not a Survivor) and worse case scenario we don't lose a town; so no, voting you off is one of the best possible courses of action for town at the moment.
And no, I'm not treating you as a Survivor: I'm treating you as someone who's surely not town.
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Potentially killing a town in the process.
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2020-11-10, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
I realize I'm a little biased, so I wanna collect opinions: what are people's thoughts on the person who sees "apogee and xihirli are calling each other liars", and decides that instead of testing either of them, they decide to vote me instead?
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2020-11-10, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-10, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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That if Apogee1 is not Survivor nor Town Zelphas is getting voted first thing in the morning.
Or getting killed I suppose- their reasoning for not voting Apogee1 looks weird enough that it wouldn't be strange if they get killed by whatever faction isn't Apogee's (assuming A1 flips non-town/non-survivor).
Or. They just haven't been online since the debate started.
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2020-11-10, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can join the growing list of people who should be able to get got
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Hey so if we vote of Xihirli who is literally always a (wolf/mafia/alien/sk) here (lock from my pov and should almost lock from all of yours) I can confirm myself survivor tonight
That's a confirmed not baddie you'd be getting
just saying it's probably worth something here
Plus I'd blast someone we thought was pretty wolfy
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2020-11-10, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
I definitely can see Xihirli lying, but if she is, she dies D3.
If she is serial killer, why didn't someone die to her N1? I can kinda see her not killing someone N1 to deflect belief her role is active, but... seems unlikely.
So, if you live today, I'm voiding you
On the other hand, if you die today and flip Survivor Vig, I'll void Xihirli since that strongly implies she is the Serial Killer.
Either way, the Town should be safe from a townie getting NKed tonight from you/Xi.
Xi, want to claim a power that gives a reason for me not to void you? Ideally, without lying.
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2020-11-10, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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It occurs to me that if we kill one, and they're untrustworthy, that doesn't mean the other is trustworthy. A death can only prove tye killed was trustworthy and that the unkilled wasn't, it doesn't work the other way around. Let's give examples:
If we kill Apogee, and they flip Survivor, obviously Xihirli was lying. We killed the trustworthy, leaving the untrustworthy alive.
If we kill Xihirli, and she flips town, then while we don't know 100% that Apogee was lying, it'd be really weird for Xihirli to claim to have lied about drawing Survivor to call out somebody she doesn't know for sure was lying. We killed the trustworthy, leaving the untrustworthy alive.
If we kill Apogee, and they don't flip Survivor or town, then yeah they were untrustworthy, but that doesn't prove Xihirli is town. Even if she's telling the truth that Survivor wasn't kept or publicly discarded, we won't know for sure until game ends. Xihirli could be a lying wolf trying to get us to waste a lynch on the Survivor, only for it to turn out that Apogee was also lying about being Survivor and is actually mafia.
Same scenario if we lynch Xihirli and she's scumrole. Could be they're both scum on different teams.
All we know for sure is that they can't both be telling the truth.
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Can't void both of us.
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2020-11-10, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Honestly, I think you're either an Innocent Child wanting to shunt the lynch to the 2nd-place person last minute. Or you're a baddie who is hoping to look town by being willing to be sacrificed.
Your death doesn't look likely to yield info right now. If you died and flipped Town, that wouldn't tell us anything about Apogee and Xi and we'd have no more info than we already do (well, beyond that you were Town.) Really, only if you are Survivor or Serial Killer, would we get info.
If you were the Survivor, I think you'd claim it now. Or maybe you still hope to soak a NK tonight, knowing both are lying. But, then, why wouldn't you want Xi or Apogee to die.
If you were the Serial Killer... well, I could see you acting this way to look townish.
So, really, I don't see any reason why AV-as-Town would want to die, since it doesn't yield info. Usually when you want to die as Town, it is helpful to the Town.
Thus, inclined to think you're a baddie or neutral.
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Yeah...
If Apogee dies this Day, I void Xihirli this Night, and there's a Serial Killer/mafia kill, I guess we learn AV is the Serial Killer/mafia.
OH---and I could see Cao as lying about his cards (if he's werewolf) and AV being a solo mafia. Her acting this way as a solo in a faction (a kinda-destined-to-lose situation) sorta makes sense.
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2020-11-10, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Here's hoping I die today so you can all see how hard JeenLeen is trying to project his own situation onto me.
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2020-11-10, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
The more I think about it the less sense it makes for Xihirli to be lying. It would only make sense if she expects to win tonight.
I vote Apogee1
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2020-11-10, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Come on Apogee, you're embarassing yourself now. Calling everyone who's suspicious of you a wolf, jumping around all the hoops. You're not doing yourself any favors.
Xi, want to claim a power that gives a reason for me not to void you? Ideally, without lying.Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-11-10 at 02:52 PM.
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2020-11-10, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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AV, are you proposing that I'm the solo mafioso? Not sure what you think I'm projecting... except that I guess I'm projecting how I'd act in the various scenarios I'm imaging you might be in.
And to clarify on my line of actions: I meant if Apogee dies and flips Survivor Vigilante, then I'll void Xihirli.
At least unless someone gives some other excuse for Xi surviving a NK.
Some semi-random speculation
If Apogee flips Alien, more thinking Zephas is Alien.
If Apogee flips Survivor Vig, pretty sure Xihirli is a baddie.
If Apogee flips Serial Killer, pretty sure Xihirli is trustworthy.
If AV (or anybody, really) flips Mafia, kinda reckon Cao is lying about his cards and thus is probably a baddie.
Pretty sure Xihirli and The Outsider are not Aliens (based on Elenna's post near end of D1.)
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2020-11-10, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Okay, this blew up. To reply to the direct question to me:
I don't currently have any evidence to say that she's telling the truth or that she's lying, so I didn't want to weigh in. I realize after all the other responses that I'm playing this way too cautiously, which I'll need to work on.
Thanks for the clarifications, JeenLeen; that all makes some sense.
That's a good point; I didn't want to trust either of them, so I was trying to stay out of the conflict. That's probably a futile effort, given the resulting messages.
At this point, it's unlikely that I'm going to escape any sort of suspicion this round; if I leave my vote on AV, it looks odd, but if I switch to either Xihirli or Apogee1 I ally myself with their arguments (And therefore raise suspicion on myself if they are proven wrong). Thinking it over, I think it may be better to choose a side (for this round, at least).
Therefore, I'm swapping my vote to Apogee1. The arguments against Apogee seem stronger than those against Xihirli, though once again I may be misreading the situation.
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2020-11-10, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-10, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not a he, Zelphas.
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2020-11-10, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I started to write an explanation and realized it's not as strong a thought as I initially thought it was.
But basically:
1) if Apogee is not-Town/Survivor
2) and Apogee honestly did try to kill Xihirli N1 (I see no reason for him to lie about that, unless he and Xi are both werewolves)
3) and Xihirli didn't die (which obviously is what happened)
4) and Apogee was not voided (NO REAL PROOF FOR THIS, but nobody has said they voided him, while discussion would give a good reason to state that)
That means Xihirli somehow survived a NK.
So that means Xihirli was baned, Xihirli is the Survivor, or Xihirli is the Serial Killer.
If Apogee flips Serial Killer, that rules out Xi being serial killer.
Meaning Xi is the real Survivor (and lying to be Town for.... some reason, maybe to soak NKs, but not lying about her cards), or a baner was in play in a lucky way. I guess the latter doesn't show Xi as trustworthy since any faction can be/have a baner, though--hence my realizing my conclusion wasn't as solid as I thought.
I'm hoping by D3 someone will speak up if they voided Apogee, since it might help determine who to lynch. But I see not wanting to admit your power this Day or the upcoming Night, in order to avoid drawing a NK tonight.
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2020-11-10, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-10, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think there's any sense to thinking of me as anything but a loyal member of Town, always and forever. So let's abandon these avenues of thought.
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2020-11-10, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-10, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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If everyone is calling me a wolf this loses a lot of it's value just saying
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what I've been saying all day
is that literally regardless of what you think I flip as or what I actually flip as (the logic doesn't change if it's survivor, alien, mafia, wolf, sk, or town)
Xihirli is claiming to have discarded survivor
which means she isn't town
because I, and the rest of you should agree, Xihirli is not picking town over survivor
implying xihirli is not a member of the town
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2020-11-10, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I know this is dangerous but I can't tell all I want to without claiming. My cards were: Town JOAT (didn't want to balance a bunch of 1-off powers), Alien Investigate, and Town Tracking. It was honestly a toss-up between investigate and tracking, but I went Town Investigate and discarded Town JOAT.
The reason I wanted to claim is I investigated Apogee1 last night and can confirm they are Serial Killer.
I haven't been active today because work called and told me last night that I have been identified as coming into contact with someone who tested positive for COVID. I have been trying to scramble and figure out testing and how to isolate from spouse and kid. I likely won't be available much until closer to the end of this day phase, but had to share.
Hopefully someone else town will save me tonight.
Vote Apogee1
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2020-11-10, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wishing you the best regarding you, your family, and covid. Hope everything goes as well as it can.
I don't suppose y'all would consider leaving me alive for a bit? I'd shoot the people you wanted and the werewolves are about one night cycle and another day from winning this game
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2020-11-10, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, I sure do pick the best times to tune out. Jesus H Christ.
Alright, thoughts.
-I'm willing to believe RA's claim for the moment. That being said, I was somewhat hoping that Apogee would flip WW/Mafia/Alien. Having them be the SK makes the D1 vote... confusing.
- Regardless of how Apogee flips, we might need to lynch Xihirli tomorrow. As much as Apogee was flailing around and calling everyone who voted them sus, they have a point. Xihirli is probably not going to pick Town over survivor. (At least from what little I've seen thus far.)
-I'm glad some of the quiet people have spoken up more. Zelphas has moved up a step in trustworthiness for me by virtue of reasonable explanations for their actions. Still might be evil, but at this point I'm more sus of Jeen than I am of them.
-And of course, the biggest question (in my mind): How exactly did Xihirli live through an attempted stabbing?
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2020-11-10, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Apogee1
I've already claimed enough tbhLast edited by AvatarVecna; 2020-11-10 at 07:24 PM.
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2020-11-10, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-10, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh well either Xihirli is lying about having discarded survivor, in which case lol
or like I've been saying all day she's a wolf
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It's a guess
Based on the numbers from last time and three mafia no werewolf cards discarded
And like, gut feels there is a large team comfortable with the game
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2020-11-10, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, I'm gonna stop letting you get away with this slander.
Survivor: The survivor wins if they last to the end of the day
I assume that means game? In either case:
Boring.
Boring.
I would NEVER choose survivor. Over anything else on that list.
And I will not stand for being slandered in this means.
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2020-11-10, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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