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    There aren't any feats that can give you blast shapes or essences if you don't already have lesser invocations or better. However, there are prestige classes (enlightened spirit) and magic items (rod of eldritch power) that can do so.
    Thanks. So, except (I assume) for feats like Sudden Quicken and such, Supernatural Transformation (since it's a racial ability, and those are widely considered innate) and Ability Focus, there aren't many options for optimization. That's disappointing. Oh well. At least I get an at-will touch-attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiDuRaritry View Post
    Thanks. So, except (I assume) for feats like Sudden Quicken and such, Supernatural Transformation (since it's a racial ability, and those are widely considered innate) and Ability Focus, there aren't many options for optimization. That's disappointing. Oh well. At least I get an at-will touch-attack.
    There are certainly options. Just not ones that give blast shapes or essences.

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    Q 143

    A Wizard also has two levels of Chameleon. Thanks to selecting Arcane Focus as an aptitude focus, she can cast arcane spells from any arcane caster class list as Chameleon spells, and not just Wizard spells (and thus has started an additional spellbook with a few of these).

    A) If she casts a mnemonic enhancer spell (as a Wizard spell) and choose the "prepare" option, can the three levels of spell prepared be non-wizard arcane spells she knows (and usually prepare in the Chameleon spell slots)?

    B) If the answer to A) is yes, can the spell prepared with mnemonic enhancer be a third-level arcane spell not on the Wizard spell list, despite not yet being high-level enough to cast it as a Chameleon (because no third-level spell slot)?

    C) Is the above option lost if she picks a different aptitude focus than Arcane Focus for the day?
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    Q 144

    Does anybody have a list, or can anybody point me to a list, of the undead that one can create with a create undead or create greater undead spell?

    i.e. The PHB only covers four types of undead for each spell, but various monster profiles (such as Bone Creature from the BoVD) include the detail that they can be created via the use of a create (greater) undead spell.
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    Q 145

    How does the spell Bone Chill work? It is neither harmless nor does it work on objects, but undead are immune to effects that require a fortitude save.
    Do undead just apply their crappy base fort save with - con score?
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    How does the spell Bone Chill work? It is neither harmless nor does it work on objects, but undead are immune to effects that require a fortitude save.
    Do undead just apply their crappy base fort save with - con score?
    Yes. It's an exception to the general rule, since it specifically calls out that undead are affected.

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    A 143a Yes.
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    Q 146 If you're using a light shield, can you load a crossbow while the shield is strapped on?
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    Q 146 If you're using a light shield, can you load a crossbow while the shield is strapped on?

    A 146 Ask your dungeon master.

    This is the rule that appears in the SRD.

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    You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand. A light shield’s weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although you cannot use weapons with it.
    The question is what it means to say that you "cannot use" a weapon. Surely it means that you cannot attack with the weapon, but does it also mean that you cannot load a crossbow? I think this is a question for a dungeon master to answer.

    Suppose the dungeon master allows you to load a crossbow while you have a light shield strapped to your arm. Doing so provokes attacks of opportunity. If an enemy makes an attack of opportunity against you, does your shield bonus count, or are you unable to use your shield arm to defend yourself while you're using your shield hand to load a crossbow? I would judge that you can't apply your shield bonus while you're loading the crossbow. Another dungeon master either might allow you to apply your shield bonus or might forbid you to do anything with your crossbow while you have a light shield strapped on except hold it in your free hand.

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    Could this Tainted Scholar class feature affect eldritch blast (which "counts as a 1st level spell")? Note that it's not metamagic.

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    Could this Tainted Scholar class feature affect eldritch blast (which "counts as a 1st level spell")? Note that it's not metamagic.



    If no please cite why.
    No, because it's not a spell.

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    No, because it's not a spell.
    What confuses me -- "not a spell" seems to contradict "counts as a spell". For PRC entry requirements the rule is spelled out, but it seems unclear in other areas.

    Which line is your answer based on?
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    Eldritch blast, like all invocations, is a spell-like ability. It is not a spell and does not "count as a spell" for the purpose of applying any kind of effect like you're suggesting.
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    What confuses me -- "not a spell" seems to contradict "counts as a spell". For PRC entry requirements the rule is spelled out, but it seems unclear in other areas.

    Which line is your answer based on?
    Spell-like abilities are like spells, but they're not spells. Unless otherwise noted, you can't use them with abilities that only work on spells.

    I don't know where you found that second quote, by the way.

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    Does the Extra Spell feat (Complete Arcane) allows a wizard to learn and cast a new spell that isn't on the wizard spell list?
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    Does the Extra Spell feat (Complete Arcane) allows a wizard to learn and cast a new spell that isn't on the wizard spell list?
    No, nothing in the feat overrides the normal restrictions on the types of spells you can learn. It merely gives you an additional one.

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    Q 149

    Some clerical spells have effects depending on the alignment of the caster (such as mark of judgement) or the actual faith of the caster (such as mark of the unfaithful).

    If such a spell is cast through a magic item, like a scroll or wand, which alignment or faith are taken into account? Those of the user, or those of the item's creator?
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    Q 149

    Some clerical spells have effects depending on the alignment of the caster (such as mark of judgement) or the actual faith of the caster (such as mark of the unfaithful).

    If such a spell is cast through a magic item, like a scroll or wand, which alignment or faith are taken into account? Those of the user, or those of the item's creator?
    A 149

    It depends on the type of magic item. In most cases, the alignment effect would be determined by the item creator, who is the one who casts the spell in the first place. This is because other effects (caster level, DC, and even access to the spell) are keyed off the creator's attributes, not those of the user. A cleric could use items to cast cleric spells that they can't access themselves due to not having the right caster level or Wisdom score, and those spells would be keyed off the Wisdom score and caster level of the item creator. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that the alignment and faith of the creator would determine the effects of a scroll or wand, not those of the user.

    One likely exception to this is spells cast from staffs. page 214 of the DMG specifically states:

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    Staffs are an exception to the rule. Treat the saving throw as if the wielder cast the spell, including caster level and all modifiers to save DC.
    From this we can ascertain that the attributes of the wielder normally don't contribute to the nature of the spell, but that they do so in the case of staffs. This is not just the saving throw, because the text also mentions caster level - which does not modify the save DC. Thus if your cleric was casting a spell with alignment-based effect from a staff, it would use the cleric's alignment to determine the effects of the spell.
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    Q150

    I seem to recall there was a standardized expectation that PCs pass X% of their saves with a good save, break enemy AC X% of the time with full bab, etc, but I can't recall where I saw that discussed. Is there a text or resource around that would help reflect this sort of information:

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    I seem to recall there was a standardized expectation that PCs pass X% of their saves with a good save, break enemy AC X% of the time with full bab, etc, but I can't recall where I saw that discussed. Is there a text or resource around that would help reflect this sort of information:

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    In the community, maybe, I'm not sure. In RAW, no. This wasn't properly codified in the rules until 4th Edition.

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    If you milk yourself for venom with a poison that has a save DC based on your statistics (For example, the Fangs graft in Serpent Kingdoms), what is the save DC if you used a stat buffing ability at the time of milking? Would it be based on your Constitution at the time of milking, or your constitution at the time of use? The latter doesn't make much sense to me as it's no longer part of your body.

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    How long does it take for you to milk your own venom? It's one minute to milk a willing or incapacitated animal as far as I know, but you're totally in control of your own venom.

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    Q151a

    If you milk yourself for venom with a poison that has a save DC based on your statistics (For example, the Fangs graft in Serpent Kingdoms), what is the save DC if you used a stat buffing ability at the time of milking? Would it be based on your Constitution at the time of milking, or your constitution at the time of use? The latter doesn't make much sense to me as it's no longer part of your body.

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    How long does it take for you to milk your own venom? It's one minute to milk a willing or incapacitated animal as far as I know, but you're totally in control of your own venom.
    A 151 A & B

    Since, AFAIK, there are no rules for milking venom in 3.5, there is no RAW answer for this. Ask your DM for a ruling.

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    [QUOTE=Khatoblepas;24920676]Q151a

    If you milk yourself for venom with a poison that has a save DC based on your statistics (For example, the Fangs graft in Serpent Kingdoms), what is the save DC if you used a stat buffing ability at the time of milking? Would it be based on your Constitution at the time of milking, or your constitution at the time of use? The latter doesn't make much sense to me as it's no longer part of your body.[QUOTE]

    A 151a

    I think you'd only apply your Constitution buff to the poison DC if the venom was extracted while your Constitution was buffed and only if you use it before the buff expires. But, that may not be strictly RAW: I may be using my own reasoning a bit too much there.

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    How long does it take for you to milk your own venom? It's one minute to milk a willing or incapacitated animal as far as I know, but you're totally in control of your own venom.

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    A 151b

    In the absence of a more specific rule on this, you'd probably just need to apply the existing rule, even if it seems a little silly to you. But keep in mind that the rule you've quoted isn't necessarily universal: as written, it's specific to vermin that have been trained with drow-specific Handle Animal rules, so it may not apply outside that context by RAW.

    Dragon #349 has a "poisonmaker's guide" article with some more rules about harvesting and processing venom, but if I recall, those are presented as "optional rules," and I don't know what they say about the time required. It's also not a WotC source, technically.

    Also, if it helps, in Oriental Adventures the shinomen naga race has rules for applying their own venom to a weapon (basically, it's a full-round action). Extrapolating that to your specific situation is not technically RAW, but it does set another precedent, so it might be just as appropriate as the Bestow Venom rules you quoted.

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    A 154 Yes, but you would have to abort the spell-casting to do so.

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    Does Fist of the Forest AC bonus stack with monk AC bonus?
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    I believe it does, because it's an untyped bonus and doesn't explicitly say otherwise. But, I may have forgotten a specific rule from somewhere that contradicts this reading . . .
    A 152
    The rule in question is that class features sporting the same name don't stack with each other unless specifically described as such. The "AC Bonus" from Fist of the Forest and Monk are the same ability, just one being linking to CON and the other to WIS, and thus don't stack. Having both only mean you can use the higher stat (and can switch between the two at will, which can be handy in case of ability damage).
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    One character starts to cast a full-round spell without casting defensively. One opponent moves in and attacks him while is casting the spell and hit him. The character pass the Concentration check and continue casting. Does the attacker get an attack of opportunity?

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