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Grrl Power VI: Stripping The Hero Doesnt Work
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As for content, im thinking if archon came up to me with this idea, I would go for, whatever power they wanted to apply to the job, achilles invulnerability which is nice for me and also ensures I dont wind up dead before they get their moneys worth from me, then after that I would negotiate for some other random super set as a bonus just for funzies. Not sure what I would pick, maybe amorphus? Shape shifting of some level stretchy body and invulnerability? yes please.Last edited by Traab; 2020-11-15 at 03:24 PM.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-11-15, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm.. Achilles has a power, that if anything is even more special than Max's.
Honestly suspect its not something that can be copied.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-11-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Im not sure why you would think that. What makes his single ability "You cant hurt me" any more special than anyone elses ability? I dont recall any mention of him being different than anyone else. Is it because it seems to be more total than any other ability that has displayed limits? Because we were thinking that was the case for sydneys shield right up until it tanked an alien super weapon blast and was dropped to the red and partially broken. So far, achilles seems invulnerable to everything, but the very name suggests that he has a weakness somewhere.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-11-15, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Grrl Power VI: Stripping The Hero Doesnt Work
So what you need is for all of Archon's supers to form a LLC called ArcCorp that exists for the sole purpose of hiring Hench Wench.
It would be a problem if her ability only works for villains, but you could probably find someone who'd call a bunch of super-powered law-enforcement types "villains" and mean it, so you somehow persuade them to become the COO of ArcCorp.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2020-11-16, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Grrl Power VI: Stripping The Hero Doesnt Work
Im not sure why you would think that. What makes his single ability "You cant hurt me" any more special than anyone elses ability? I dont recall any mention of him being different than anyone else. Is it because it seems to be more total than any other ability that has displayed limits? Because we were thinking that was the case for sydneys shield right up until it tanked an alien super weapon blast and was dropped to the red and partially broken. So far, achilles seems invulnerable to everything, but the very name suggests that he has a weakness somewhere.
And from the power rankings of the Cast page we had a decent idea of just how solid it were.
Achilles meanwhile does have an ability that are more special than anyone elses.
He got 6 dots of invulnerability on a logarithmic scale of 0 to 5.
(at least it seems to be logarithmic. Its clearly not liniar)
Also for that matter he isnt a super.
He got his power from an event. Quote "Achilles doesn’t know exactly how or when he got his powers (thought it would be patently obvious to anyone who was with him at the time)."thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2020-11-16, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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OK, I'm with HW. That was profoundly gross.
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2020-11-16, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Gross, but the reactions are funny.
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I love how everyone's looking various shades of disturbed and Amorph is reacting like he commenting on the taste of some new food stuff.
No, seriously, his face just screams "Interesting, but it could do with a bit more punch.".Last edited by Kantaki; 2020-11-16 at 10:51 AM.
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2020-11-16, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also, it conveys to HW that "You really need to do a lot better than that", which probably tilts her toward "flight" and away from "fight". But if someone else can get the drop on Brut's junk, I don't think it's possible to outrun Maxima.
Sydney ... Maxima ... Achilles. I wonder if we'll find out that no one is actually a genetic super; they are all induced by some sort of external actor. Sometimes the person is aware of the external actor, and sometimes not; and sometimes the same actor affects family members, which is why you find related supers. That would be quite the plot twist - that aliens are experimenting on humans as their version of laboratory mice, and applying the more successful upgrades to their own kind.Last edited by Shining Wrath; 2020-11-16 at 11:37 AM.
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Re: Grrl Power VI: Stripping The Hero Doesnt Work
To (mis)quote the Jessica Jones show:
"How invulnerable are you?"
"On a scale of 'I don't know' to 'I don't want to find out'?"
Invulnerability isn't the kind of power you deliberately seek out the limits of, once you get past a certain point, because passing those limits could be catastrophic. Especially if it goes straight from 100% protection to 0% protection, or if the mere act of failing causes damage, and for all they know it could do both of those because there's no way to test safely for that.
Anyway, from the question posed by the author: the best implausible threat I've heard is from Red Vs Blue.
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2020-11-17, 05:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sydney ... Maxima ... Achilles. I wonder if we'll find out that no one is actually a genetic super; they are all induced by some sort of external actor. Sometimes the person is aware of the external actor, and sometimes not; and sometimes the same actor affects family members, which is why you find related supers. That would be quite the plot twist - that aliens are experimenting on humans as their version of laboratory mice, and applying the more successful upgrades to their own kind.
Invulnerability isn't the kind of power you deliberately seek out the limits of, once you get past a certain point, because passing those limits could be catastrophic. Especially if it goes straight from 100% protection to 0% protection, or if the mere act of failing causes damage, and for all they know it could do both of those because there's no way to test safely for that.
Even Sydney's shield, the most likely candidate for that still had warning colors.
And with Achilles we know he has tested the limits of his invulnerability, and found absolutely non.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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Sydney's shield is a piece of technology, extremely advanced by all conceivable standards but technology nevertheless. Warnings on imminent failure are expected of complex technology, not so much on what we assume to be (at the moment) naturally occurring powers.
As for why it would go straight from 100% to 0% - Sydney's shield, for one, would do exactly that. If it encounters something it can't block, it will fail, and that will be that. The warning Sydney got was only visible - and thus useful - because the attack she tanked was strong enough to stress the shield, but not strong enough to break it. A weaker attack wouldn't have triggered the warning, and a stronger attack would have collapsed the shield entirely.
We don't know anything about how Achilles' power works, but there's likewise no reason to think his power has any leeway or buffer to dampen excessive force. He hasn't found anything that can hurt him yet, but for all we know the protective effect of his power will just fail when its limit is exceeded. Maybe the limit isn't in magnitude, either. Maybe it's a limit of how much damage (physical, chemical, biological, or otherwise) his body can withstand over some period of time, or maybe even over his lifetime. Maybe it gets weaker with age. There's uncountable variety in possible limits.Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2020-11-17 at 07:17 AM.
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2020-11-17, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Grrl Power VI: Stripping The Hero Doesnt Work
Or more likely, its like maxima and as they ramp up the damage he starts to feel pain THEN takes physical damage. Or really, any super durable hero. Below a certain threshold they dont even register an attack as hitting them. Then they notice but it doesnt hurt, then it starts to sting, then it causes damage, etc. Yes its entirely possible to accidentally jump from feels nothing to obliteration, but only if you are jumping the damage up too far each step. If sydney went from maxima shield punching to planetary obliteration, she would die and never even realize her shield was strained. Its certainly something to test very carefully as you dont want to do that, of course, but that doesnt mean no testing at all. And it doesnt mean that if you punch achilles with 100k newtons of force he is fine, but 101k newtons he explodes into a red mist. The line isnt going to be that thin most likely.
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Remember the whole bit with Deus and Maxima's geode? She gained her golden skin and her powers when a geode cracked open and poured goop all over her. She has the physique of a super, but we know her powers are not genetic. Which I think raises the question as to whether anyone's powers are genetic. All supers are lab rats?
If Achilles' powers are tech, usually an engineer will design in graceful degradation when possible. If they are genetic there's lots of things that are brittle in nature - they are fine until they aren't, like an eggshell.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2020-11-17, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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And yet, again, we see physically durable heroes taking damage and NOT exploding once their durability is surpassed. I think the best way of treating it is like regular humans only scaled up. If I brush your side with my finger tip you might not even notice. if I jab your side with my fingertip you might jolt away or even go ow depending on how hard I do it. if I deliver a jab from a fist you might wince or even bruise. if I deliver a full force haymaker you might lose a rib. Now imagine you can take 1000x as much damage. That means the gap between noticing and wincing is also a thousand times higher, same for the rest. Your body wont fail the instant it gets harder than it can take without a flinch, it requires a LOT more force to go from flinch to pain to injury to death. All because the scale is much larger. That seems to be how physical durability is treated in comics at least. The human body isnt an eggshell.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-11-17, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sydney's shield is a piece of technology, extremely advanced by all conceivable standards but technology nevertheless. Warnings on imminent failure are expected of complex technology, not so much on what we assume to be (at the moment) naturally occurring powers.
As for why it would go straight from 100% to 0% - Sydney's shield, for one, would do exactly that. If it encounters something it can't block, it will fail, and that will be that. The warning Sydney got was only visible - and thus useful - because the attack she tanked was strong enough to stress the shield, but not strong enough to break it. A weaker attack wouldn't have triggered the warning, and a stronger attack would have collapsed the shield entirely.
Its just extremely likely to have enough energy left to ash Sydney.
We don't know anything about how Achilles' power works, but there's likewise no reason to think his power has any leeway or buffer to dampen excessive force. He hasn't found anything that can hurt him yet, but for all we know the protective effect of his power will just fail when its limit is exceeded. Maybe the limit isn't in magnitude, either. Maybe it's a limit of how much damage (physical, chemical, biological, or otherwise) his body can withstand over some period of time, or maybe even over his lifetime. Maybe it gets weaker with age. There's uncountable variety in possible limits.
If you shoot a bullet though a door it will continue with significantly reduced penetrative power. Because it expended some of its energy going though the first barrier.
And in the case of Achilles and the assumed limits. Then i am going with the simplest explanation so far. That he is invulnerable. Because thats what WoG says.
Remember the whole bit with Deus and Maxima's geode? She gained her golden skin and her powers when a geode cracked open and poured goop all over her. She has the physique of a super, but we know her powers are not genetic. Which I think raises the question as to whether anyone's powers are genetic. All supers are lab rats?
Thats the bit where Max and Deus discuss how many others had likely handled the geode before her.
And conclude it likely opened for her because she were a natural super. Something that was literally confirmed by WoG in the author comment.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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From what information we have, Achilles' power is more like a stasis effect that somehow still allows him to function - his body simply does not change at all. This is why he is stuck with an 80's mullet. It might not have been stated directly, but I doubt he actually ages at all. If it is so, then I doubt any amount of physical force would make a dent in him and his power would have to targeted directly. He was stuck in huge piles of rubble which considering his lack of super strength could reasonably suffocate him simply by the sheer pressure. Yet, he was completely unfazed. Whatever his power is, it is much more throughout than a simple protective shield.
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Yes. Which is, I think, why it is that much more likely to have no "near failure" state. Whatever it is that protects and sustains him, does an *absolute* job. Which is why if something ever does get through, it will get through in full force. And there will be no way to help, because unless the powers go away entirely, they will resist all attempts to affect Achilles, even if it's meant to help. Like that one personal shield device in Stargate Atlantis, that protected its user so well it didn't allow him to eat.
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Yes. Which is, I think, why it is that much more likely to have no "near failure" state. Whatever it is that protects and sustains him, does an *absolute* job. Which is why if something ever does get through, it will get through in full force. And there will be no way to help, because unless the powers go away entirely, they will resist all attempts to affect Achilles, even if it's meant to help. Like that one personal shield device in Stargate Atlantis, that protected its user so well it didn't allow him to eat.
Since it does indeed seem like his power is some sort of stasis state, then i dont think any degree of force will overcome his protection.
If something is to work then it needs to be something really esoteric that bypass his invulnerability alltogether. Like something that hits his soul/mind.
Ah. Well, then, she's a enhanced super. Which is why she's The Boss.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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I think it's outright stated somewhere that Achilles has complete and true invincibility by the author. Absolutely nothing can hurt him.
If that does grant him immortality that does make him a really tempting target for a theoretical 'What supers would I want to work for?' as Hench Wench.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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This is a world with magic, so perhaps his soul or brain can be affected.
OTOH I recall in Interview with a Vampire that one of the most feared threats was to seal a vampire inside a coffin or equivalent and just leave them there for years or decades or centuries. That would work with Achilles; he has no powers that would let him escape.
Therefore Hench Wench wants to sign a long-term contract with Achilles, then bury him in concrete at the foundation of a skyscraper, and take on new business.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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It would also fail if Achilles at any moment told her she were fired.
But also its still assuming Achilles can be copied. I find it unlikely since he is immune to everything else.
He cant be chocked, he cant be starved, or poisoned, or disintegrated, or get sick. He is basically a walking "nope" sign.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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That's why I said long-term contract, and yes, HW would need a good lawyer. It probably works best if an ally of HW seals Achilles away and he doesn't know Hench Wench is part of the scheme.
Does being copied harm Achilles, though? He's immune to being harmed. If an ally gains that ability it does not harm Achilles. Would granting Anvil invulnerability harm him?
It is an interesting question whether or not his power can tell the difference between a real ally, and an enemy feigning friendship.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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I would bet that Achillies might just even no-sell angry magical mind attacks and other weird esoteric methods of harming him as well. Accounting for the WoG of him being really truly invulnerable I wouldn't be surprised if his power itself wasn't wildly esoteric in how it functioned to protect him.
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The strange thing is how it does it. As I pointed out, he can clearly feel and taste things, therefore its not totally sealed away, but it always stops before he feels pain. Its almost like an organic version of those force fields that will let through enough sound and light so you can see and hear whats going on through it, but blocks lasers and sonic attacks. Just enough gets through that he can use his senses, but never enough to overtax those senses. Even maxima has issues where her "skin" is like glass. Nothing adheres to it properly. Though I assume she also has the full range of sensitivity to her senses as she can feel things both good and bad. If the bad is strong enough.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
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Closest probable analogy I can come up with, is CheatEngine. Every cell in his body, individually, is constantly reset to an original state that was set when his powers activated. Things like food and contaminants remain on/in his body and provide constant "sensory pressure". The infinitesimal delay between resets allows him to feel things, but the effects can't accumulate or cause lasting pain or discomfort. He lives constantly in the 'now'. Even if a significantly powerful attack were to destroy some part of him inbetween "ticks", the reset would just restore the damage. The only problem in this explanation is that his memory still functions, but it's probably a general side-effect of powers that "required secondary powers" like remaining in control of your body when logic says you shouldn't, are taken for granted.
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