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    Colored speech balloons also mean extraplanar (cf Qarr and the IFCC directors). And many outsiders can fly. Plus, we need something to tie back to Roy's Archon and its secret task.

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    Could Serini have left an outsider janitorial staff to run the Dungeon? Like, whatever the True Neutral outsiders are in 3.5?
    And if so, can we speculate on their binding oaths?

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    Being grabbed by one's head unexpectedly like Belkar was in the last panel has got to be painful, or at least very uncomfortable.

    At least, I hope that's why Belkar has Schulz-patented eye-parentheses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless View Post
    The climatic fight forces the Order to begin the same ritual to seal the gates and its Belkar who sacrifices himself to save creation?

    It could be the only way to defeat whatever safeguards Serini has requires one of the adventurer's to sacrifice themselves to gain access.

    Well Belkar is fated to die, what if his sacrifice causes Serini to reveal herself after witnessing the same tragedy that cost Kraagor his life?
    What are the words on Kraagor's Statue? Sacrifice Forgotten

    Even though Lirian had professed the sentiment that ... "your brave sacrifice will not be forgotten"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metastachydium View Post
    As I keep saying, they are most likely both dragons or half-dragons. It would explain the speech bubbles, the flight, the magic, the size of the creature carrying the paladins and (here's a new one I've just noticed) the wind.
    The main problem I have with both voices being dragons is that I have a hard time figuring how a dragon could manage to use a blowgun (which is what I assume those darts came from). That implies a creature with mammalian lips.

    Good catch about the wind, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NihhusHuotAliro View Post
    Being grabbed by one's head unexpectedly like Belkar was in the last panel has got to be painful, or at least very uncomfortable.

    At least, I hope that's why Belkar has Schulz-patented eye-parentheses.
    Uncomfortable, probably. Remember that he wasn't particularly harmed by being hanged. Those marks can indicate surprised dismay. Another concern of his is probably that he hasn't finished the job of covering their trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunsen_h View Post
    Uncomfortable, probably. Remember that he wasn't particularly harmed by being hanged. Those marks can indicate surprised dismay. Another concern of his is probably that he hasn't finished the job of covering their trail.
    Bytheway, put me down as him laying down strong spices or peppers or something. For some reason I think he'll bring his chef specialization into it, incapacitate the warg's nose with the power of overwhelming flavor or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Bytheway, put me down as him laying down strong spices or peppers or something. For some reason I think he'll bring his chef specialization into it, incapacitate the warg's nose with the power of overwhelming flavor or something.

    I like longshots.
    I'd say that's the most likely scenario. I'm guessing chilli powder would be enough to mess up a wargs scent ability. It might be the backstory behind Belkar taking Profession (Gourmet Chef); he wanted to know where to access the strongest of dog incapacitants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Bytheway, put me down as him laying down strong spices or peppers or something. For some reason I think he'll bring his chef specialization into it, incapacitate the warg's nose with the power of overwhelming flavor or something.

    I like longshots.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    I'd say that's the most likely scenario. I'm guessing chilli powder would be enough to mess up a wargs scent ability. It might be the backstory behind Belkar taking Profession (Gourmet Chef); he wanted to know where to access the strongest of dog incapacitants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    Could Serini have left an outsider janitorial staff to run the Dungeon? Like, whatever the True Neutral outsiders are in 3.5?
    And if so, can we speculate on their binding oaths?

    We will uphold the Defence of the Gate if we want to but its OK because most of the time we will.
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    Lofty Ideals and Devious Schemes will be powerless against our Shrugs.
    Above all, remember our guiding Creed, 'eh, whatever'
    I like this quite a lot. Posts like these keep me coming back to these threads, FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    Could Serini have left an outsider janitorial staff to run the Dungeon? Like, whatever the True Neutral outsiders are in 3.5?
    And if so, can we speculate on their binding oaths?

    We will uphold the Defence of the Gate if we want to but its OK because most of the time we will.
    Do no Harm. Do no Heal either. Really we'd max at Cure/Inflict Moderate Wounds.
    Protect the world from evil and chaos, but only if you were going to do that anyway, if not, it's no bother.
    Lofty Ideals and Devious Schemes will be powerless against our Shrugs.
    Above all, remember our guiding Creed, 'eh, whatever'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosty View Post
    Considering she was 'the kid' of the Scribble
    Dorukan was "the kid."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless View Post
    As unlikely as it may be what if Belkar is related to Serini?

    The climatic fight forces the Order to begin the same ritual to seal the gates and its Belkar who sacrifices himself to save creation?

    It could be the only way to defeat whatever safeguards Serini has requires one of the adventurer's to sacrifice themselves to gain access.

    Well Belkar is fated to die, what if his sacrifice causes Serini to reveal herself after witnessing the same tragedy that cost Kraagor his life?
    What would that add to or change about the story?

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    And one by one, they've fallen to irony:
    Lirian's fell to the nature it was protected by.

    Dorukan's fell to good-hearted people being manipulated by an evil team.

    Soon's fell to a fallen paladin trying to regain paladinhood by following in the most honorable paladin's footsteps.

    Girard's fell to someone outside his enclave seeing right through his deception after they were slaughtered by someone that had no idea they existed.

    So, the question is, how will/would Serini's Gate fall?
    And to this point, Dorukan believed in wizard supremacy and was felled by a sorcerer; Girard only trusted family to guard his gate and was felled by a spell that targeted people through blood relations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    I'd say that's the most likely scenario. I'm guessing chilli powder would be enough to mess up a wargs scent ability. It might be the backstory behind Belkar taking Profession (Gourmet Chef); he wanted to know where to access the strongest of dog incapacitants.
    Well, Belkar also just seems to love food and cooking, and with his halfling heightened senses, that makes sense.
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    And Lirian was slain by an unnatural being(that is, a lich).
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    And Lirian was slain by an unnatural being(that is, a lich).
    So if each was beat by their antithesis, the one thing they regarded as too weak to bother to protect against (sorcerers with quantity over quality; dishonourable paladins; undead; something targeting a whole family at once), what would Serini's big downfall be? Her inability to settle down and defend the place herself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    So if each was beat by their antithesis, the one thing they regarded as too weak to bother to protect against (sorcerers with quantity over quality; dishonourable paladins; undead; something targeting a whole family at once), what would Serini's big downfall be? Her inability to settle down and defend the place herself?
    Considering that the tomb is built to honour Kraagor but is also built by an epic-level rogue in Serini, I've got to wonder, what is the simultaneous antithesis of both (1) physical strength and superiority and (2) subterfuge and guile?

    I don't have any easy answer to that. Possibly the antithesis of a sole guardian who proposed that her party split up ... is another party working in concert and teamwork (for once). Team Evil is too fractious and has too many competing egos and agendas, while the Order actually pulls together and values one another.
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    Another argument against there being two dragons: Green voice says "Grab them before one of the bugbears spots us."
    If each paladin was being carried by an invisible dragon, why not one apiece? Then it would be "Grab ONE before one of the bugbears spots us."
    The implication is that orange voice is carrying both paladins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Bytheway, put me down as him laying down strong spices or peppers or something. For some reason I think he'll bring his chef specialization into it, incapacitate the warg's nose with the power of overwhelming flavor or something.

    I like longshots.
    Maybe. I think he's at least as likely to be laying down a sprinkling of cocaine. There's that numbing effect, but if the "sniffer" keeps trying, it's disabling.

    He could be doing both, in patches, of course. Just to make things more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceGee View Post
    Another argument against there being two dragons: Green voice says "Grab them before one of the bugbears spots us."
    If each paladin was being carried by an invisible dragon, why not one apiece? Then it would be "Grab ONE before one of the bugbears spots us."
    The implication is that orange voice is carrying both paladins.
    Well, there's also the detail of Dragon vs some bugbears. That fight's only going to go one way.

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    Oh yeah, I got confused and thought that Orange was the "Boss" and not Green. Hmm.

    I don't think we've ever seen fey before in the comic, so it'd be cool to see some.

    Also if they are on Team Tiamat then Green is probably a green dragon(surprising, I know) and I dunno what Orange is then because I don't think that fits any of the chromatic dragons.
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    Dragon Magazine's Dragon Compendium book had an orange dragon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    what would Serini's big downfall be? Her inability to settle down and defend the place herself?
    Her inability to keep the party working together.

    Her dungeon falls to the one thing she doesn’t believe in anymore - a well-balanced party that gets along and work together toward a common goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Bytheway, put me down as him laying down strong spices or peppers or something. For some reason I think he'll bring his chef specialization into it, incapacitate the warg's nose with the power of overwhelming flavor or something.

    I like longshots.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    I'd say that's the most likely scenario. I'm guessing chilli powder would be enough to mess up a wargs scent ability. It might be the backstory behind Belkar taking Profession (Gourmet Chef); he wanted to know where to access the strongest of dog incapacitants.
    While I'm can see it being something like thyme or rosemary or some indigenous herb, I think a strong pepper would be a bit of a giveaway. Especially if it is only in front of one door. "I don't smell any dwarves, just some strong spices in front of a single door that is in no way suspicious."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throknor View Post
    While I'm can see it being something like thyme or rosemary or some indigenous herb, I think a strong pepper would be a bit of a giveaway. Especially if it is only in front of one door. "I don't smell any dwarves, just some strong spices in front of a single door that is in no way suspicious."
    Belkar probably sprinkled them in front of several doors, if that powder wasn't some kind of magic dust that removes tracks or something.

    Actually I think there's an item for that but I forget what it's called. Don't think it's a Core item though.
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    The title of this comic: "Think So" could be the answer to the 2 questions Roy asks
    "Is that a dead rat head?"

    Think So.

    "huh - Did the floor just change colour?"

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    So I guess the runes were an always- on teleporter field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfunkman View Post
    The title of this comic: "Think So" could be the answer to the 2 questions Roy asks
    "Is that a dead rat head?"

    Think So.

    "huh - Did the floor just change colour?"

    Think So.




    So I guess the runes were an always- on teleporter field?
    I'm pretty sure at least half the joke is about the Telepathic Bond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunsen_h View Post
    Maybe. I think he's at least as likely to be laying down a sprinkling of cocaine. There's that numbing effect, but if the "sniffer" keeps trying, it's disabling.

    He could be doing both, in patches, of course. Just to make things more difficult.
    Hmm... well, I don't know if cocaine exists in the OOTS-verse, but "halfling pipeweed" certainly does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunsen_h View Post
    On further thought: they've left a clear trail to the first door they entered, and a partially-obscured trail from there to this one. Which muddies the water considerably: what level of bluff are they playing? Did they really double back? Did they choose some other route altogether?

    I don't suppose there's any magic along the lines of "scry the recent history of a location", AKA "video surveillance"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    It's fairly typical of wizards to have one, especially when they have a bunch of minions to order about like Dorukan did. But if you don't think he was the type, I offered alternatives. Here is another: it was his lab.
    Works for me. (Although Korvin's idea isn't bad either.)


    The self-dstruct run was next to the door. Xykon didn't install it.
    Good point.

    If the gates need maintenance, they all need maintenace, and thus they all need to be accessible.
    But then again, Girard's Gate was not immediately accessible, while for all we know, Dorukan and Lirian (who kept in touch) could have left their Gates exposed so that they can destroy them as needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrocorus View Post
    Technically, there're the Draconic and Dragonborn templates, but they don't change the creature type, so they shouldn't give draconic speech bubbles. And they are not SRD.
    There are other draconic creatures in the other monster manuals, but not SRD.
    In the SRD, the only draconic creatures are true dragons, dragon-turtle, dragonne and half-dragon.
    Dragons-Turtles can't fly, and dragonnes are not very intelligent, and i don't think they have prehensile hands.
    The half-dragon templates, though, can be applied to basically anything, so that leave a lot of possibilities.
    We also have pseudodragons (too small) and wywerns (too few limbs). And yes, there's a fair chance one of the two can be a half-dragon.

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceGee View Post
    The main problem I have with both voices being dragons is that I have a hard time figuring how a dragon could manage to use a blowgun (which is what I assume those darts came from). That implies a creature with mammalian lips.
    How 'bout a half-dragon with a somewhat less draconic head than Enor's? Damn things come in all shapes and sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    Also if they are on Team Tiamat then Green is probably a green dragon(surprising, I know) and I dunno what Orange is then because I don't think that fits any of the chromatic dragons.
    Orange dragon sounds good to me, but there's also the thing that if a black dragon can speak in purple, I'd say a red dragon can speak in orange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metastachydium View Post
    Orange dragon sounds good to me, but there's also the thing that if a black dragon can speak in purple, I'd say a red dragon can speak in orange.
    Yeah, about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    I know that. It's half the reason why I believe these must be dragon bubbles. However, I also know that Enor and the Boss Monster had different speech bubbles even though they were both blues, so I believe there's some room for variation. And were I to be wrong, we still have the orange ones, right?
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