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2021-03-10, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Mmph. You're probably right, assuming Rich isn't bending the rules for this or thinking "well since it's not targeting O-Chul... though obviously he could.
Not sure if this means anything yet anyways. honestly.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-03-10, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
I'm still in the "this was a last-panel joke" camp, but if it does turn out that she found out that info through scrying, for what it's worth I would guess that Cloister only prevents Signore Stiffliano from being targeted by a divination spell. If Serini was scrying on Hinjo at exactly the right time (which would, of course, be a weird coincidence that would need some justification), I think she'd likely see and hear what anyone nearby was hearing and saying, including our favorite blue-beard.
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2021-03-10, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
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2021-03-10, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
She stocked a bunch of monsters to defend her gate. Could be she also has creatures that spy for her. They could report back to her in person and get around the restrictions of the Cloister that way.
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2021-03-11, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
A simpler explanation is that she has an item that allows her to read his mind.
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2021-03-12, 03:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
She's also an epic-level rogue. She could literally walk up there and no one will ever Spot her.
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2021-03-12, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Or if she is actually spoted she can still say that she was not there...
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2021-03-13, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
She's an epic level rogue. She probably has Use Magic Device maxed and is using an item that allows epic level scrying. That or she has an item that allows plane shift and then she scries from the cloud like Eugene does.
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2021-03-13, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Or she has a moderate Gather Information score and thus gets information on a successful roll she really has no way to actually learn. Yes, I have issues with the design of that skill, and a few other social ones.
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2021-03-13, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Can't the DM just assign and appropriately higher DC if they have no way of knowing it? An epic "gather information" skill is probably "maintains an international network of informants," which is totally genre-appropriate for spymaster types, and is actually a lot more feasible in a world with a lot of magic items and users floating around.
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2021-03-13, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
That's kind of the point; Gather Information is very loosely worded and relies a lot on individual DM interpretation. (For example, you're positing a higher DC for what I would say is an automatic failure.)
One of the sample affiliation benefits in PHBII is access to a communication network that lets you make Gather Information checks across an entire region "without requiring you to move from your hometown", but the base skill description barely even implies that you need to be near where you're gathering information in the normal case.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2021-03-13, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
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2021-03-13, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
The Jump skill is limited by their STR score. Even a Nat 20 won't affect that. Social skills are poorly worded in general (see all the Diplomacy exploits).
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2021-03-13, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
And the Gather Information skill is limited by their CHA score. Even a Nat 20 won't affect that. I fail to see the difference. If someone rolls high enough on Gather Information when there is no way for them to actually gather the information, then no, that will fail, just like if someone rolls high enough on their Jump skill when there is no way for them to actually jump to the moon. It sounds like your complaint is with DMs who made poor decisions instead the way the game system was designed.
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2021-03-13, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
If she has a high enough sense motive score she would be able to read surface thoughts - which is all she would need to know what he was thinking about in panels 11 and 12.
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2021-03-13, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
What I find somewhat interesting is that D20 Modern's Gather Information is functionally the same, but the description offers some guidance on DCs and when a check should be allowed; while 3.5 (which would come out several months later) looks like the same description that was in the 3.0 rules.
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2021-03-13, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
That still leaves panel 10, which is still a bit specific in its information...
And that'd require she have a +80 modifier (at least) to the skill. Even with a +33 competence ring (if such a thing even existed in the world, which would require an enchanter at level 30 with 33 ranks in the skill), she'd have at most a +56. We don't see rings, and when we saw the Philter of Glibness, there was a color effect to Haley's voice.
Now that I say that though, there's a color-effect to Serini's voice, so there could be a potion effect in play.
She'd still need to close the gap with a +24 at least, and realistically a +34. So it's doable, but it'd put her level and wealth at an ungodly tier, since she'd need to afford these bonuses AFTER accounting for the dungeon creation.Characters I've enjoyed playing for more than four sessions:
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2021-03-16, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
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I always had the impression that Belkar's Favored Enemy choice was Kobolds based on the way he behaves when the order meets various kobolds during the story:
- When they first meet the Linear Guild (strip 44), Belkar's first reaction is "Ugh, I hate kobolds...". Even if one could argue that Belkar (at least back then) hates every living creature, we have never seen this kind of instant hatred for a member of any other race.
- Having Kobold as a favored enemy naturally would fit the LG's theme of opposites, further reinforced by the fact that, in every ambush, there is a kobold member of the guild.
- Belkar also shows this seemingly unjustified hatred when they meet the Oracle (strip 329).
When they first meet the Linear Guild, the characters had barely any character development so it could have been easy for Rich to have added in that Belkar has Kobolds as favored enemies without having to think of an elaborate backstory. As far as I know, I don't think this is officially mentioned anywhere, but to me it makes complete sense given his reaction in the strips mentioned.
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2021-03-16, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
It’s possible he might have a FE choice as Kobold. Remember, at that level he had at least three choices.
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2021-03-16, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Yes, I think Kobold makes much more sense than Undead.
By WoG, Belkar was Ranger 11 / Barbarian 1 at the time of the Miko fight at the end of this strip, so he'd already taken his third favoured enemy (or improvement to existing FE), and it's not possible for him to have taken his 15th level of Ranger before leaving Azure City, so the comment in panel 9 about having "gotten pretty good at" killing undead can't be referring to taking them as FE by RAW.
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2021-03-16, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
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2021-03-17, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
Serini has A Hand Crossbow and a Wand. And presumably EWP: Hand Crossbow and ranks in Use Magic Device.
I'm guessing the wand is some kind of teleportation spell given the "pop", but no concrete info.Last edited by RMS Oceanic; 2021-03-17 at 07:18 AM.
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2021-03-17, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-17, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-17, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-17, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-17, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert
My point was that he only gets a new FE (or FE improvement) at Ranger levels 1, 5, 10, 15, and 20.
He already had Ranger 10 before he got to Azure City (and got the Mark of Justice that affected his target selection parameters), and we don't even know that he has Ranger 15 now, let alone while he was still in Azure City, so there was no time during his enforced time of "killing-only-undead" when he could have taken Undead as FE, or increased an existing bonus.
The deafness during the Pyramid fight strongly suggests that Belkar was only level 15 total at the time, further disproving an FE element to his undead killing prowess.
This argument falls apart if Rich allows retraining, but most of the data on our character sheets on this thread do as well if that's the case :( .
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2021-03-17, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-22, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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