Class and Level Geekery XVIII - Everyone's an Expert

[Quebbster]

I was looking if we have enough data about Sangwaan to make a statblock. Nope. We only really know four things: she can cast True Seeing (#426 8th, #428 23rd panel); she uses “a combination of wizard magic and numerology to make predictions” (GDGU p. 43) so she's a wizard; Shojo doesn't consider him his best wizard (#379 9th) despite that she can cast a 6th level spell and seems to represent a team of diviners (#271 2nd, #413 1st); she's less than thirty years old (GDGU p. 45), and so probably a human, because elves are unlikely to cast high level spells at that age (#126 8th, the rules say that elves become adults at 110 years of age).

Vaarsuvious' children are 26 years old, which apparently correlates to kindergarten age for elves. I think that possibility can be ruled out.

[Emanick]

Vaarsuvious' children are 26 years old, which apparently correlates to kindergarten age for elves. I think that possibility can be ruled out.

Plus no ears.

[b_jonas]

Plus no ears.

I don't think the ears are decisive. She specifically wears long hair in a way that would cover her ears, which is why I thought she was an elf first, until I checked GDGU.

[Riftwolf]

Bit surprised to say this, but maybe it's time to blow the dust off Serini's entry? She owns more than a short bow now.

[Emanick]

Bit surprised to say this, but maybe it's time to blow the dust off Serini's entry? She owns more than a short bow now.

Great call. Fully support this. We can, at the very least, put all the equipment we've seen her use into her inventory.

[Silly Name]

So... Staff, blowgun, poison-tipped blowgun darts, googles (do they do anything), brewing cauldron, unknown wand, crossbow... Anything else?

[Peelee]

So... Staff, blowgun, poison-tipped blowgun darts, googles (do they do anything), brewing cauldron, unknown wand, crossbow... Anything else?

Half Ogre?

[danielxcutter]

Half Ogre?

Er, she got healed with troll blood. Ogres don't have Regeneration.

Honestly I dunno how to rule those. How about we treat them as grafts and list them in her possession list?



Also the wand's almost certainly Dimension Door, because most other spells either aren't low-level enough to fit on a wand or don't teleport far enough for it to mean much. And er... what's she wearing? Is that a tunic or a bathing robe?

[hamishspence]

Er, she got healed with troll blood. Ogres don't have Regeneration.

Honestly I dunno how to rule those. How about we treat them as grafts and list them in her possession list?

Or as "she has the Half-Troll template from Fiend Folio".

[danielxcutter]

Or as "she has the Half-Troll template from Fiend Folio".

I'm not sure if it's changed her enough to give her two claws and a bite attack.

[Peelee]

Er, she got healed with troll blood. Ogres don't have Regeneration.

That was a big part of my question mark, I wasn't sure I was tossing out the right name. Thanks!

[Riftwolf]

Would 'Halfling with Troll-blood graft' be OK? It's not something covered by the rules but is descriptive to her condition.

[danielxcutter]

I'm personally fine with that until we get further info.

[Metastachydium]

Random thought: shouldn't Oona be listed as having two maces/morningstars and Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting?

[InvisibleBison]

Random thought: shouldn't Oona be listed as having two maces/morningstars and Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting?

Two morningstars, yes, but I don't think that scene is sufficient evidence for Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting, as the feat isn't necessary to TWF with two one-handed weapons.

[Metastachydium]

Two morningstars, yes, but I don't think that scene is sufficient evidence for Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting, as the feat isn't necessary to TWF with two one-handed weapons.

Carrying two weapons isn't proof that she has Two-Weapon Fighting either, but 1035 is listed as evidence for that regardless.

[Quartz]

Does Sunny the beholder mean that Serini has the Epic Leadership feat? If so, does that put any constraints on her level and stats?

[InvisibleBison]

Does Sunny the beholder mean that Serini has the Epic Leadership feat?

No it does not. You don't need Leadership to have allies.

Also, beholders have 11 HD and no LA, so either they're ineligible to be cohorts at all or you can recruit one as a cohort with regular Leadership.

[danielxcutter]

I'm under the impression that Sunny is more of an adopted kid rather than a cohort or follower. Also Leadership's pretty useless for NPCs because a DM can just give them followers through fiat.

[Peelee]

Everyone in Stickworld has the Leadership feat. Roy got Leadership to form the party. Eugene got Leadership to get married. Hilgya got Leadership to have a baby. Belkar got Leadership to get Mr. Scruffy.

Everyone is an Expert with the Leadership feat.

[Metastachydium]

Everyone in Stickworld has the Leadership feat. Roy got Leadership to form the party. Eugene got Leadership to get married. Hilgya got Leadership to have a baby. Belkar got Leadership to get Mr. Scruffy.

Everyone is an Expert with the Leadership feat.

Also, the entire Order (and everyone else below level 20) are actually followers of an epic level Expert with Epic Leadership who will be a really important part of the endgame!

[SpykeMH]

With today's comic could we argue Haley has Uncanny Dodge? She's dodging attacks while in complete darkness(and from an invisible attacker not that it really matters)

[danielxcutter]

Normal Uncanny Dodge's basically default for every rogue her level, so that's not saying much.

[Metastachydium]

Normal Uncanny Dodge's basically default for every rogue her level, so that's not saying much.

As is the Improved variety, so no wonder Haley explicitly has it.

[Wildstag]

Random thought: shouldn't Oona be listed as having two maces/morningstars and Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting?

Getting this thread to actually commit to changing Oona's feat list is a headache and a half. I proposed Two-Weapon Pounce ages ago (which tracks with her making two attacks after what appears to be a charge in 1213), but that never got anywhere either.

Realistically, she could just be taking massive penalties to TWF by using two one-handed weapons, but that seems worse than assuming that she took feats that improve her style of combat, and Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting would complement that style. I'm in agreement at least.

[Metastachydium]

Getting this thread to actually commit to changing Oona's feat list is a headache and a half. I proposed Two-Weapon Pounce ages ago (which tracks with her making two attacks after what appears to be a charge in 1213), but that never got anywhere either.

That's even more blatant! She shouldn't even be able to do that without the right feat.

Realistically, she could just be taking massive penalties to TWF by using two one-handed weapons, but that seems worse than assuming that she took feats that improve her style of combat, and Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting would complement that style.

Right? It's like assuming he doesn't even have normal TWF and just likes a -10 to hit.

[danielxcutter]

I think Two-Weapon Pounce at least is reasonable.

[Gurgeh]

I've been in the "Oona's base class is clearly Ranger" camp forever, what with the free TWF and tracking and handy skill list to qualify for Beast Heart Adept.

[TooSoon]

I've been in the "Oona's base class is clearly Ranger" camp forever, what with the free TWF and tracking and handy skill list to qualify for Beast Heart Adept.

Agreed.

We should also bump up V to level 17 while we're at it, for the least rule breaking use of the telepathic link, and Xykon to 27+ to explain the extra spell slots and Tarquin to Epic for the 2 handed arrow catch.

[InvisibleBison]

I've been in the "Oona's base class is clearly Ranger" camp forever, what with the free TWF and tracking and handy skill list to qualify for Beast Heart Adept.

I don't think we have enough evidence to conclude that Oona is a Ranger. At best, we can say that it is not the case that it is impossible for her to be a ranger. Oona has done some things that Rangers can do, but she hasn't done anything that only rangers can do (as far as I recall, anyway).

Incidentally, this same argument is why I don't think Oona should be labeled as a Beast Heart Adept.