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    Roy is played by (who the GM hopes to be) the GM's girlfriend. That's explains everything. Including the lucky findings while being presumably low level of magic books to raise his stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zero View Post
    Roy is played by (who the GM hopes to be) the GM's girlfriend. That's explains everything. Including the lucky findings while being presumably low level of magic books to raise his stats.
    I doubt Roy would be a Fighter then, though. Also then the girlfriend's pretty good at RPing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zero View Post
    Roy is played by (who the GM hopes to be) the GM's girlfriend. That's explains everything. Including the lucky findings while being presumably low level of magic books to raise his stats.
    Roy started with good stats, though. And didn't he get that book at fairly high level?
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    I doubt Roy would be a Fighter then, though.
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    Presumably, the DM would nudge said player into taking at least a Tier 2 class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Presumably, the DM would nudge said player into taking at least a Tier 2 class.
    And if the girl wanted to play a fighter, she'd presumably ignore the nudge.
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    If I recall from the Fourth Edition Dimension crossover in Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales; Roy is a Fighter instead of a Warblade because Eugene wouldn't pay for a PhD program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    If I recall from the Fourth Edition Dimension crossover in Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales; Roy is a Fighter instead of a Warblade because Eugene wouldn't pay for a PhD program.
    Roy was in a STEM HILT field, wasn't he? Several of those effectively pay the Ph.D candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Presumably, the DM would nudge said player into taking at least a Tier 2 class.
    I was thinking at least tier 3, but yeah.

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    And if the girl wanted to play a fighter, she'd presumably ignore the nudge.
    This would explain the Spellsplinter Maneuver, though. Although “balance patch between classes” also works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Presumably, the DM would nudge said player into taking at least a Tier 2 class.
    That's the whole point, though.
    It's normal to be the hero of the campaign, if you take one of the best classes and optimize it enough, but only a true GM's girlfriend can manage to make her character be the hero of the campaign when logic would dictate otherwise.

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    Plus, some GMs don't feel the need to push someone to be optimal, and perhaps this hypothetical "would-be GF" would feel offended to be given handouts like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    This would explain the Spellsplinter Maneuver, though. Although “balance patch between classes” also works.
    Returning more in topic with the thread, to me the Spellsplinter Maneuveur seems like a better version of the Mage Slayer feat (better because imaginary Xykon and real Durkula didn't seem to realize that they couldn't cast defensively).

    But while I'm writing I'm realizing that this proabably has been already analyzed and, if dumped, there must be a reason I can't see at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zero View Post
    Returning more in topic with the thread, to me the Spellsplinter Maneuveur seems like a better version of the Mage Slayer feat (better because imaginary Xykon and real Durkula didn't seem to realize that they couldn't cast defensively).
    It was, indeed, raised. Basically, because as you say, it seems like a better version, and as soon as it's not the RAW version, we aren't really in a position to speculate about which parts are home brew or if the whole feat is, so it's not really meaningful to record "kinda like Mage Slayer."

    As for Roy, who says the potential love interest is a girl, you guys are so heteronormative! For that matter, who says the GM isn't a girl?

    Obviously, of course, if you want to take this seriously, there are no players (by word of Giant), we have no idea if stats in OOtS are generated purely via plot or via one of the traditional methods (and I'd argue that since there are no players, our usual conservation-of-RAW doesn't really apply to this), and in any case since one of the methods involves rolling dice, any combination of stats between 3 and 18 for every stat (plus/minus racial modifiers) is a possibility, since we know that probability-bends-to-the-will-of-plot is a thing in Stickverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    It was, indeed, raised. Basically, because as you say, it seems like a better version, and as soon as it's not the RAW version, we aren't really in a position to speculate about which parts are home brew or if the whole feat is, so it's not really meaningful to record "kinda like Mage Slayer."
    Same problem with Spellcasting Harrier: While it fits better it's also an epic feat, so Roy would need to be epic to take it; since Roy isn't epic and has Spellsplinter anyway, it's clearly not the same feat....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    As for Roy, who says the potential love interest is a girl, you guys are so heteronormative! For that matter, who says the GM isn't a girl?
    Potential love interest was specifically called "girlfriend" so I don't think I took a leap of faith there. As for the DM, I don't recall anyone making any assumptions there.

    Nothing implied heteronormativity there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Roy was in a STEM HILT field, wasn't he? Several of those effectively pay the Ph.D candidates.

    I refuse to apologize for my bad graduate chemistry joke.
    As someone with a PhD in a STEM field, I used to claim that if they they aren't paying you to be in graduate school, you shouldn't be in graduate school.

    My niece and nephew are both, I think, currently being paid to attend graduate school (at least their parents don't appear to be providing funding and they don't have jobs outside of school), so it appears to still work.

    Even in the humanities, if they really want you in the grad program, they give you a teaching assistanceship or something. Mind you, humanities assistants don't get paid nearly as well as Math assistanceships, but they do get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Potential love interest was specifically called "girlfriend" so I don't think I took a leap of faith there. As for the DM, I don't recall anyone making any assumptions there.

    Nothing implied heteronormativity there.
    You know (aside from the fact that I was kidding, of course), you're quite right. I thought that the GM in our scenario was explicitly male, but apparently I'm he one who made that assumption, oops!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lampert View Post
    As someone with a PhD in a STEM field, I used to claim that if they they aren't paying you to be in graduate school, you shouldn't be in graduate school.
    There's some case to be made for exactly the opposite--at least in a STEM field you're likely to become more employable if you take out loans to finish a grad degree. In the humanities, your immediate job prospects are terrible, plus if you weren't good enough to get someone to fund you, your chance of getting a relevant job after are pretty slim. It's different, of course, if the money isn't meaningful to you for whatever reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    You know (aside from the fact that I was kidding, of course), you're quite right. I thought that the GM in our scenario was explicitly male, but apparently I'm he one who made that assumption, oops!
    For what it's worth, even jokingly, it's comments like that what got me to realize how true they were and made me want to be better about it. I was just a bit amused at the turnaround on that one.
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    So given the incredibly specific breadth of Serini's statements, is there some memory magic or scrying available to her that she can press those hyperspecific buttons? I feel like there'd have to be something in play here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstag View Post
    So given the incredibly specific breadth of Serini's statements, is there some memory magic or scrying available to her that she can press those hyperspecific buttons? I feel like there'd have to be something in play here.
    I could be totally wrong about this, but I think it's just comic irony that she happens to be wording her questions in a "hyperspecific" way that just happens to be problematic for O-Chul.

    If I'm wrong, then she probably has access to epic scrying magic, given the wards in place on Azure City's throne room. That's not impossible, given the enormous resources she clearly has at her disposal if she was able to build this dungeon, and given the fact that she adventured with both an epic divine caster and an epic arcane caster. Given that she's a rogue, though, she'd obviously have to be using some kind of magic item, not a class ability.
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    Obviously she rolled high on her Gather Information check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    I could be totally wrong about this, but I think it's just comic irony that she happens to be wording her questions in a "hyperspecific" way that just happens to be problematic for O-Chul.
    I figured it could be comic irony for the first statement, but once it mentioned his personal katana being used, it steps out of the "ironic guess" territory and into the "I have precise knowledge of the events" territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Obviously she rolled high on her Gather Information check.
    Which is a good thing as it gains all information while avoiding this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstag View Post
    I figured it could be comic irony for the first statement, but once it mentioned his personal katana being used, it steps out of the "ironic guess" territory and into the "I have precise knowledge of the events" territory.
    I'm almost certain that it has been pointed out before elsewhere, but it is not at all necessary that she has precise knowledge of what transpired in the throne room. In fact, she could have made the same remark based on an abridged and fairly vague account that she could spy on without having to breach the defenses of the throne room.

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    If she has been scrying, I'd assume that she had something with a considerably stronger punch than a simple scroll of Scrying.

    Actually, probably not Scrying(or the Greater version) unless she's been keeping an eye on them for a LONG time. Even if you do take massive penalties to the DC you still need to have heard about your target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metastachydium View Post
    I'm almost certain that it has been pointed out before elsewhere, but it is not at all necessary that she has precise knowledge of what transpired in the throne room. In fact, she could have made the same remark based on an abridged and fairly vague account that she could spy on without having to breach the defenses of the throne room.
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    I mean, she could have been scrying on Hinjo or Lien, or one of the Order members besides Haley or Belkar.
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    I mean, she could have been scrying on Hinjo or Lien, or one of the Order members besides Haley or Belkar.
    And then, what? As described, surely a Cloistered person is invisible to scrying -that is, anything they say is just static or silence (ditto visual).

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    I mean, she could have been scrying on Hinjo or Lien, or one of the Order members besides Haley or Belkar.
    Exactly, and my first bet would be Hinjo. Scrying on the leader of the Guard who makes the decisions is an easier way of keeping track of what the Guard is up to than following around, say, Lien or one(/all) of those paladins who were out of town when the city fell.

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    And then, what? As described, surely a Cloistered person is invisible to scrying -that is, anything they say is just static or silence (ditto visual).
    I don't think that was ever established.
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    That depends on what kind of protection Cloister provides, I guess. If it's like Mind Blank it wouldn't pick up O-Chul, yes, but it might not - and depending on how she managed to get that info, such as planar alliances with higher (or possibly off to the side, though likely not lower) beings, it might even bypass that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    That depends on what kind of protection Cloister provides, I guess. If it's like Mind Blank it wouldn't pick up O-Chul, yes, but it might not - and depending on how she managed to get that info, such as planar alliances with higher (or possibly off to the side, though likely not lower) beings, it might even bypass that.
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