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I actually enjoyed some of the books you listed as bad. The Crystal Star in particular, even though it's admittedly weird as hell and more star trek than star wars.
Also, as... Questionable as she is, Karen Traviss did pioneer the lore for Mandalorians, even if their current form is significantly altered.
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I would like Disney to remaster the original, unaltered trilogy based on a new transfer from the 35mm negatives (not off the 4:3 ratio 1993 laserdisc). I would willingly pay lie $200 for a Blu-ray boxed set.
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Good read, I like a lot of the perspective there and I think you summed up in general how I felt about the old EU.
I don't hate the Last Jedi, and I've tried to see more of what its fans love about it, but I just don't see the new, daring direction the film gets hailed for.
It's hard for me to see Rey as "No One" when she was already made into a capital "C" Chosen One. At that point, it doesn't matter to me if her parents were junk traders or the lost Kenobi heir, that's just not No One to me, no matter what her background is. If the hero of the story had been Finn or Rose, that would have been a more daring change.
I also don't have a problem with Grumpy, failed Luke (and I think Hamill is an underrated actor, if there's anything that tries to sell the character it's him), I just think that the sequel movies in general do a bad job of moving the original cast forward. I get no sense from either Han, Leia or Luke of a life lived, or what they accomplished. I don't need them to be the focus, and I don't need chunks of the film devoted to exposition, but I'd like to have a little sense of what they did in the last few decades. Even small things like a lightsaber clipped to Leia's belt, a mention of Luke's departed wife, or the inference that Han made an attempt to be a public figure in the New Republic would have gone a long way. It's not a perfect comparison, but something like how "The Legend of Korra" handled it is how I'd point to doing it right. His sacrifice at the end also feels less like character arc stuff than an easy way out, especially since we know he'll just be a Force Ghost in the next movie.
And yeah, Snoke was an uninteresting mystery box in TFA. But he was also serving a narrative purpose, as our other antagonists were Hux, who was consistently portrayed as an idiot (yes, mad dogs have a purpose, but it's not being put in charge of your fleet), Ren, who showed little canniness or menace and was ruled almost wholly by his spiteful whims, and Phasma, who was a dirty coward. Snoke at least seemed like he could have been a serious threat if developed properly. If they were going to kill him, they needed someone to take his place as the overall threat. Ideally, that would have been Ren, but the film doesn't do that. They should have closed the door on a Redemption arc, had him fully take on the mantle of a Dark Lord, and show him as a menace to be taken seriously, not a teenager who yells at people and tosses them around with the Force when things don't go his way. We get the "Let the Past Die" quote, but Ren is repeatedly shown to be unable to do just that, and I feel that should have been his arc in Last Jedi.
I think there are some good pieces in place with the Last Jedi. A movie where Rey realizes that who she can become doesn't rely on where she came from, Poe growing from a hotshot pilot to a responsible leader, Finn finding a cause to fight for and Ren going from callous youth to Galactic Threat sounds like a good middle section of a trilogy to me. I just don't feel that any of that was done well here, and I envy people who feel that they got the movie I described.
Oh and I love Rose. I just wish the last two movies had found something more to do with her.
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Is it worth making a pinned thread of some kind for our various Star Wars related disputes?
The weird part of Rey Nobody is, Finn is nobody too, but no one cares, in or out of universe.
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Ben Kenobi wasn't from a mystical background. Neither was Qui-Gon Jinn. Nor Yoda. Nor Kanan, nor Ezra, nor Palpatine, nor Maul, nor any other Force user we saw on-screen. Luke and Leia were literally the only ones who had their background as important on-screen.
So no, she most emphatically did not have to be someone with an appropriately mystical background. I categorically reject that claim. Her "background" was nothing more than blatant pandering.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-12-17 at 01:32 PM.
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I would have preferred they had revealed she was Phasma's niece from her novel.
Then reveal she's Schmi Skywalker's great grand daughter just not descended from Anakin.
She'd be a Skywalker and they wouldn't have to mess it up that badly...
Sadly.
I actually didn't mind her being nobody, just wish they planned the trilogy properly instead of whatever they were thinking about!
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In TFA she has something of an arc of learning to accept that her family is never going to go back to get her. People latched on that and assumed that her family not being shown or named was to prepare a reveal rather than because they were irrelevant to the story.
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There was also, unless I'm misremembering, a bit where Kylo decides she's worth worrying about only after somebody says she's a girl from Jakku. Like that specific combination means something.
Since at that point there was no background really given for anybody, I thought it was some hint of a past connection between Rey and Kylo, more than about her family in particular.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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I did as well. I think part of why I disagreed with Peelee on some of NJO (though to be fair, I think the average quality of the works was lower than those from earlier eras) is that there was enough of a shift in tone/themes that it felt a bit "not Star Wars," but it wasn't enough to bother me. However, I can see how between that aspect and the lower quality other folks would judge them more harshly.
Also, as... Questionable as she is, Karen Traviss did pioneer the lore for Mandalorians, even if their current form is significantly altered.
The Disney adaptation kept the good stuff, but actually seems to recognized that you can have an honorable warrior people who make good, compelling characters even if a lot of them are generally bad guys.
What annoyed me was how blatantly they were paralleling Luke's story on this. A lot off people seemed to think that they were retconning the earlier movies, but I think it was all planned and deliberate. They just wanted to replicate not only the special background thing, but even the part where someone directly lies to her about it, and then later explains how he wasn't really lying. Except this time, it didn't quite work as well. Darth Vadar giving the reveal to Luke came at a climactic moment, and Obi-Wan explaining how he told the truth from a certain perspective later had an emotional impact because nobody expected him to deceive Luke. The reveal to Rey seemed a bit... diluted, I guess? It didn't feel like it was timed for a moment when everything was coming together, and the fact that Kylo Ren misled her didn't feel like a surprise or a betrayal in anyway. My main reaction was that I wished I had split this up into two separate spaces on my OT bingo card.
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I really liked the Rey - Kylo - Luke part. I didn't really like the rest. Nobody Rey was a good idea imho too. Snoke should probably never have existed; we already had the evil master monk thing with Vader and the Emperor, five films of it. I think that the series in general could have used a smaller cast and, if it wanted representation, simply go for [insert ethnicity] Rey and/or Kylo, although I think both Driver and Ridley were fantastic, and hope to see more of Daisy (Adam Driver already has a solid career).Last edited by Vinyadan; 2020-12-17 at 04:44 PM.
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
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I don't get it. Story of my life...
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It's a scene from one of the movies which turned into a meme (and, retrospectively, why did I expect that someone who hasn't watched the movie would get it? Highly illogical!)
The memefied scene in question: https://i.postimg.cc/8C9tCJBz/u-http...s-quoracdn.jpg
The joke was about a mix of the "what did it cost" part ("I don't particularly enjoy the MCU, but its existance costs me nothing") and Thanos being sad because Warty Goblin won't watch his movie.Last edited by Vinyadan; 2020-12-17 at 04:51 PM.
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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It's a scene from one of the movies which turned into a meme (and, retrospectively, why did I expect that someone who hasn't watched the movie would get it? Highly illogical!)
But then, I didn't know it was a meme.
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Add me into this group as well.
As for Peelee's extremely long list of books and reactions, I think we can agree that Labyrinth of Evil was dreck and Crystal Star was even worse. I'm much more positive about Karen Traviss' books, even though she's extremely anti-Force and anti-Jedi, but that works when you're writing Mandos and clone commandos. Traviss' experience as an embedded journalist really comes through, which gives her books a much greater depth of verisimilitude than the typical churned-out Star Wars novel.
For my part, I found the old Lando trilogy rather light and fluffy, but still enjoyable, and I'll always love the original Han Solo trilogy. Bollux and Blue Max were a great droid pair, and I wish we could've seen more like them instead of endlessly shoehorning R2 and 3PO into narratives where they don't really add anything. Fortunately the last couple movies have tried to give us different droids (with success varying by taste) and I hope we'll see more creative droids in the next round of films. Rogue Squadron itself will probably be heavy on the astromechs, but after that the galaxy's the limit.
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I actually did watch Infinity War and Endgame. Infinitely War was fun because it was the heroes running around having all their usual emotional epiphanies, then Thanos just doesn't care and wrecks them. Since I kinda burned out on that arc about 3/4 through Iron Man 1, watching it subverted one face punch at a time was rather enjoyable.
Endgame was much less interesting. Partly because the whole nostalgia tour wasn't really very nostalgic for me, since I've only seen bits of Avengers 1, and none if Age if Ultron. Mostly though because I pretty quickly cottoned on the this wasn't part 2 of a weird and status quo breaking epic (not that I really expected that), it was part 2 of an extra long but very standard superhero movie, with an unusually dark middle act, and a couple people leaving the cast at the end. Fun, but didn't leave much more of an impression than any of the other Marvel movies I've seen.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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I'm a bit torn, because a lot of TLJ I like the concepts presented, but not always how they got there.
Take Grumpy Luke. I can totally get behind Grumpy Luke. Honestly, Grumpy Luke is the only reasonable response as to why he decided to just abandon the galaxy in the stupid star map thing back in the last movie.
I just don't think the fall of Luke into Grumpy Luke makes any sense. This is Luke Skywalker, the guy that when he found out the greatest villain in the galaxy was his father risked everything for a chance to redeem him. His first lines to the Emperor were basically: There's still good in my dad, and I came here willingly knowing we're all gonna die here.
And he succeeds. He is rewarded for his faith in his family. So, by the laws of narrative he should double down on this perception.
So with that in mind, he is now leading his new Jedi order and finds his relative may fall to the Dark Side. Wouldn't it make way more sense that he did not pull out a lightsaber when he felt evil within Ben? The Luke of the OT would try to redeem this kid first and bring him to the light. That's Luke's whole shtick.
If you wanted to make Grumpy Luke who abandons the galaxy, make it so he tries to bring Ben back to the Light. Have him absolutely fail. Which allows Ben to go on his child murdering rampage. Luke blames himself for the failure and leaves thinking he cannot make it right. That seems blatantly obvious to me.
Meanwhile we have Kylo killing Snoke. I am all for this. Showing our new Vader stepping out of the Emperor's shadow and taking his place as the true villain of the story. That's great. He even offers Rey the chance to join him, with the caveat it involves wiping away all her friends and rebuilding the galaxy in their image. Pure villainy here I'm all for it. But this presents Kylo as the true villain of the story. Which is great. The way he blames Rey for not seeing his vision and belittling her for not wanting to turn evil with him? That is pure abusive boyfriend material coming through. They've made a terrible guy and they've set up what I've jokingly called Emperor Joffrey for the next movie.
I'd be completely down for watching this power mad man-child grabbing all the power he can, wrecking everything in his way in the next movie.
But they don't do that. They redeem him for... some reason. I still am not certain why. And then they make Palpatine the true villain and it goes back to TFA's shtick of copying the OT with half the heart that made the originals good.
Ugh it's all just a mess.
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Luke's reaction to the suggestion of Leia turning to the Dark Side was to clobber Vader halfway to death. Dude's as good as they get but he has a temper.
And 25 years of people singing your praises, can make anybody start believing their own hype and react aggressively when reality challenges that.
Isn't that what happened though? He tired to make Ben into a hero, he absolutely failed (peeked into Ben's mind, was tempted to kill him, caught himself but a moment to late). This allowed ben to go on his child murdering rampage and Luke blamed himself (and by extension the whole concept of the Jedi Order) and left thinking he couldn't make it right.
Reluctant as I am to give too much credit (well, "credit") to internet nitpickers, it feels like Abrams decided that the fan complaints about Kylo Ren not being threatening enough were right and brought back SW main vilain to make up for it rather than continue to build him up as an antagonist. And, left with no idea what to do with him, defaulted to Vader's arc.Forum Wisdom
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Okay, I don't want to get drawn into another long argument about the film - been in entirely too many in the years since it came out - so I will just say this. We agree on the point about Rey being a nobody - that was the one good thing that I think TLJ did. Mostly because I thought it was overdone and boring for TFA to imply that her parents were somebody important that we'd probably know (Luke, I was assuming at the time), so seeing that tossed out pleased me.
We disagree on everything else, but especially those two parts. Kylo Ren and the handling of Luke are the two worst parts of the sequels by far for me. Kylo does not work as a villain and yet gets treated as the main one, while Luke's story is awful and does not fit his character. At the end of TLJ, the one hope I was holding onto was for a future film to provide some amount of redemption for him, to fix what TLJ had broken. And then it killed him, for absolutely no reason, despite having the perfect excuse not to with that illusion trick, so that could never happen. That's what ultimately killed the sequels for me.
This is almost true for me too. I don't like the concept of "Grumpy Luke" and do think there were other ways you could have gone with the setup from TFA (though I will add that I also think that setup was bad to begin with and not easy to salvage whatever you did with it), but I could see the possibility that it could be done well - it just very much so was not. I don't buy that what we're shown as Luke's story would lead to that result, for the reasons Dienekes mentioned. Luke just giving up on his nephew like that after only one failure just does not jive with the character from the OT in the slightest.
Similarly, Kylo killing Snoke. In a better-written set of films where Kylo was actually becoming a villain who could be taken seriously, that might work. It doesn't because he wasn't, at any point, becoming a better villain. It's not like he was involved in some intense Sith training after the first film to get stronger or more focused or whatever, he's the same character at that point as he was when who lost a duel with Rey when she'd never held a lightsaber before. He clearly doesn't have any respect from the people he supposedly leads in the First Order (either before or after killing Snoke), and only barely has their fear - he's treated more like a child they simply aren't allowed to do anything to stop than someone they tremble in the mere presence of. He's successful only in that throne room, and it feels like that's only because narratively he has to be, or else Rey will suffer/be (re-)captured/die too, not because of who he is and what he can do at that point.
So instead, I also dislike Kylo killing Snoke, since Snoke is legitimately the better villain. Palpatine rip-off or not, he's the only one who accomplishes anything: tricking Rey into coming to him, then pulling Luke's location from her mind. That's legitimately more competence than any other sequel villain ever displays in the first two films. He's also an idiot who didn't hear Kylo moving that lightsaber on his chair's metal armrest to point at him and closed his eyes during that execution to imagine it rather than watch it for absolutely no reason, so he's certainly no Palpatine himself, but he still sets the bar higher than Kylo does.
Also, aside, agree that Kylo being redeemed in Rise is stupid. He had a scene in both TFA and TLJ to emphasize that he did not want redemption - during one of which he murdered his father in cold blood, who also happened to be one of the original series' most beloved heroes. If that's not supposed to be a point of no return emphasizing that this villain, however bad at it he may be, will not be redeemed, I don't know what is.Last edited by Zevox; 2020-12-17 at 07:52 PM.
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Yes, he was willing to fight to protect a direct family member. And stopped because he was attacking a direct family member. Kylo is just asleep and "feels eeeeevil."
The issue here is, you have to think up your own reasons as to why Luke is acting as he does. He had 25 years of people singing his praises. He gets aggressive when reality doesn't conform to what he wants.
None of that is in the movie. None of that is implied by the movie. And (though I do not think these should be counted even if they were) none of that is in the background information given leading up and explaining the movie. Where apparently Luke's involvement was downplayed by the New Republic for some stupid reason.
You have to draw the steps to make the character make sense, and especially when those steps make the character act worse than the audience is used to them being, or even more egregiously stupider than we remember them acting then that is a very tough sell.
Isn't that what happened though? He tired to make Ben into a hero, he absolutely failed (peeked into Ben's mind, was tempted to kill him, caught himself but a moment to late). This allowed ben to go on his child murdering rampage and Luke blamed himself (and by extension the whole concept of the Jedi Order) and left thinking he couldn't make it right.
Now, if he was witnessing Ben performing some dark side juju or torturing another of Luke's students. That is a little better. But he wasn't. He was asleep.
If we want to make Luke abandon everything and go off to twiddle his thumbs on some forgotten planet. We can't just make it a momentary lapse of judgment. It has to be Luke seeing that his whole being, his fundamental method of dealing with the galaxy has failed. Him getting angry at the dark side for a split second is not the fundamental part of Luke. On the contrary it's the part of himself that he had to let go in order for him to get the win against the Emperor at the end of RotJ.
In short his kindness and understanding needed to be the catalyst for his self-destruction, not his already beaten habit of getting angry.
Reluctant as I am to give too much credit (well, "credit") to internet nitpickers, it feels like Abrams decided that the fan complaints about Kylo Ren not being threatening enough were right and brought back SW main vilain to make up for it rather than continue to build him up as an antagonist. And, left with no idea what to do with him, defaulted to Vader's arc.
That's a different debate, whether TFA was a good starting point to the series. Personally, I think no. In my opinion *almost* everything that TLJ gets blamed for as problematic comes directly from TLJ.
The legacies of the heroes ruined? That came from TFA.
Han's arc was learning to fight for others before himself, emotionally mature and start a healthy relationship with Leia. He has reverted back to his smuggling days and apparently was a bad father.
Leia's arc was restarting the New Republic restoring good governance to the galaxy. Apparently the New Republic is already so bad that she has to abandon ties with them before the movie starts to act as her own weird pseudo-war. It is then destroyed mid-way through the movie.
Luke's arc was learning how important he could be in the galaxy, not just some moisture farmer so far away from everything. He masters himself, his emotions, redeems his father and is set to restart the New Jedi Order. He has abandoned all of his responsibilities, his new order has been slaughtered, he trained the new Vader, and is pulling a Yoda despite the fact his side hadn't lost yet like Yoda's had.
The Holdo maneuver breaks how Hyperspace is supposed to work?
Han hyperspaced out of a ship which is supposed to cause huge gravity issues and is why ships don't jump straight into hyperspace while on a planet. And then he uses hyperspace to go through Starkiller Base shield and pull out of it again. Hyperspace already got broke.
I did not then, and do not now understand why people thought that movie was good.
So instead, I also dislike Kylo killing Snoke, since Snoke is legitimately the better villain. Palpatine rip-off or not, he's the only one who accomplishes anything: tricking Rey into coming to him, then pulling Luke's location from her mind. That's legitimately more competence than any other sequel villain ever displays in the first two films.
He is the one that lead the Starkiller Base program. He is the one that literally DESTROYED the New Republic and their fleet in one instant. He is apparently off-screen the one who saves Kylo's ass and gets him off the destroyed Starkiller Base. He's the one who developed a method to follow the Resistance Fleet through hyperspace assuring their victory.
He is frankly the most successful villain in Star Wars after only to Palpatine and Vitiate. Even better characters like Thrawn, Exar Kun, and Bane don't destroy the Republic.
It is very strange that he got used as a joke while also seeming to be the only one on Team Evil who accomplishes anything of note.
The difference between us is of course, that I actually welcome Space Joffrey as a villain. Maybe it's because our current world, but a psychopathic man child put in charge of something very important is terrifying to me. And it's very obvious how destructive that can be. Like Palpy wanted to rule the galaxy. If you want to make a new powerful villain, I would totally see how going the path of one who just enjoys watching it blow to pieces could be done very well. And I think Adam Driver is a good enough actor to pull it off.Last edited by Dienekes; 2020-12-17 at 08:58 PM.
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I don't think I realized before, but this might be what bothers me the most about the current state of things. Like I said before, EU stuff enhanced the flagship canon works, but it was never necessary to understand it. You could have skipped all the books and the The Clone Wars series, and the Prequel Trilogy would have
still workedwould have worked no worse than they did.
This trilogy is obviously incompatible with Legends canon, but even with that gone, it only really fits together with the prior trilogies if audiences are willing to go out of their way to make the right inferences in that empty space the EU used to occupy. And even that is a stretch, because even within the trilogy, it feels like each work was written by three different teams who coordinated in the big details, but didn't share notes at all in order to get on the same page for more subtle things (like character development.)
The difference between us is of course, that I actually welcome Space Joffrey as a villain. Maybe it's because our current world, but a psychopathic man child put in charge of something very important is terrifying to me. And it's very obvious how destructive that can be. Like Palpy wanted to rule the galaxy. If you want to make a new powerful villain, I would totally see how going the path of one who just enjoys watching it blow to pieces could be done very well. And I think Adam Driver is a good enough actor to pull it off.Last edited by Xyril; 2020-12-17 at 08:58 PM.