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    Has anyone run into these? I stumbled over one or two awhile back and recently found several more. For those not aware, the basic gist is, the main character, who can either be a self insert or any protagonist you want, wakes up at a new game menu. They find that they are about to become an rpg character basically.
    Isn't the whole "isekai" genra of anime that ? Normal guy get into mmo/fantasy universe, sometime with tropes so clear that they have a character sheat ?
    Seem that this genre is now one of the most dominant one in manga/anime.

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    Isn't the whole "isekai" genra of anime that ? Normal guy get into mmo/fantasy universe, sometime with tropes so clear that they have a character sheat ?
    Seem that this genre is now one of the most dominant one in manga/anime.
    Sometimes, but not always. Usually with the RPG Isekais the entire world runs on those rules. In most Gamer fanfiction, it's the protaganist and sometimes their allies who can operate under RPG rules, while everyone else is stuck using real world rules. Or you know, fictional world rules.

    In the former, anyone can powerlevel and become powerful through repeatedly beating up monsters. In the latter, only the protaganist gets to do that.
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    Sometimes, but not always. Usually with the RPG Isekais the entire world runs on those rules. In most Gamer fanfiction, it's the protaganist and sometimes their allies who can operate under RPG rules, while everyone else is stuck using real world rules. Or you know, fictional world rules.

    In the former, anyone can powerlevel and become powerful through repeatedly beating up monsters. In the latter, only the protaganist gets to do that.
    Exactly. There are often a lot of parallels between them as both frequently involve being dropped in another world and having to figure things out, and yes often the main character in both is hilariously overpowered for some reason, but yeah, the main difference is the main character, and possibly his party, are using explicitly video game rules that dont fit the way the world works for everyone else. This can be video game versions of the rules this world fits under, or be a giant crossover thing where the player can learn skills and such from a wide variety of settings that totally throws the challenge rating out the window. The shinobi rpg story I got linked was an excellent example of the first one, as we got to see just how his existence doesnt really fit in with the rest of the shinobi world such as, so long as he has 1hp left, he can still fight, even when half his body is blasted apart. actual training does little to nothing for him, he only improves through leveling up and assigning skill points which drives everyone nuts as he keeps improving in surges and general exercise is useless to him. The only skills he was learning were naruto universe related ones, so he wasnt going to say, spontaneously develop devil fruit powers, or get edward elrics skill in alchemy.

    Also, the interaction between game laws and real life drives him nuts sometimes as he gets messages like "Perception check failed 5 of 7" Which means he knows he DID miss something, and sometimes can even guess WHAT he missed, but he still cant spot the thing he got a message about. Or how his low charisma stat means he is socially inept, he KNOWS he is socially inept, and yet nothing he can do can change that as even trying his hardest to think about what he is saying and doing he still messes everything up because he literally cant stop it or even notice it while its happening. Only afterwards or when its been spelled out for him. As an example, he can often tell that some action is impolite, but he cant seem to recognize the difference in rudeness between say, not responding when someone says hello, and spitting on someone's face. He registers both acts as "rude" but he cant tell if its something minor or major, so he causes major issues without meaning to or understanding why until, again, someone laboriously drags him through the process of understanding it.

    I like it because of that stuff the most. Trying to fit a video game set of rules into "real life" and seeing what issues develop. The downside to the genre is its real easy to go off the deep end of power fantasy. One I read, Gamer of Blades, does this. He pops up in high school of the dead universe (with some tweaks he learns of later) And gets a bunch of skills right off the bat that make it easy for him to roflstomp his way through the setting and gain more and more power. Namely the byakugan, weapon skills from Fate Stay Night and Shield Hero, job classes that give him further abilities, a loot box system that grants random items from beef jerky to one of the excaliber swords from high school D&D, etc. And it all goes up from there. Its still a fun story but its running into the power creep and a few other turn offs for this type of story for me so I may not finish it if it gets worse. Meanwhile Bhaalson Remodel is an interesting story where harry potter gets sucked into a baldurs gate game and has to be the main character in it. There are SOME shenanigans, but so far its mostly just game skills and learning how to play it.
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    Superman is %100 isekai. Remembering that will teach you to differentiate "gamer fanfiction" (defined here) and "other world story" (isekai).
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    Superman is %100 isekai.
    No it isn't.

    Isekai is a portal fantasy, and part of the meaning of portal fantasy is that the person transported takes their context and expecations from their primary world to the new secondary world. Because Superman had no context or expectations from his primary world it is not an isekai.

    The Wizard of Oz is Isekai. The He-Man live action movie is Isekai. The Chronicles of Narnia is Isekai. Superman is not.

    The reason most Isekai is also gamelike is because Sword Art Online was very popular and most of the people who write isekai web fiction/light novels are as unoriginal as they are horny.

    And by god are they horny.
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    No it isn't.

    Isekai is a portal fantasy, and part of the meaning of portal fantasy is that the person transported takes their context and expecations from their primary world to the new secondary world. Because Superman had no context or expectations from his primary world it is not an isekai.

    The Wizard of Oz is Isekai. The He-Man live action movie is Isekai. The Chronicles of Narnia is Isekai. Superman is not.

    The reason most Isekai is also gamelike is because Sword Art Online was very popular and most of the people who write isekai web fiction/light novels are as unoriginal as they are horny.

    And by god are they horny.
    Thats a bit unfair, its not like its restricted to isekai for the writers to be unbearably horny. Its like writers are obsessed with taking every setting and writing up the most depraved amounts of sex they can contemplate, for either the main character, or a thinly veiled at best self insert. Im sure there is excessive research done on why everything turns to porn dealing with instinctive desires and driving urges and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloatingSwine View Post
    No it isn't.

    Isekai is a portal fantasy, and part of the meaning of portal fantasy is that the person transported takes their context and expecations from their primary world to the new secondary world. Because Superman had no context or expectations from his primary world it is not an isekai.

    The Wizard of Oz is Isekai. The He-Man live action movie is Isekai. The Chronicles of Narnia is Isekai. Superman is not.

    The reason most Isekai is also gamelike is because Sword Art Online was very popular and most of the people who write isekai web fiction/light novels are as unoriginal as they are horny.

    And by god are they horny.
    I'm actually curious to see how many are gamelike in comparison to the total. As you've pointed out Isekai stuff has existed for a while, longer than video games have. So a lot of the new stuff is gamelike, particularly Japanese Isekai, but I wonder about the older Isekai stuff.
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    I'm actually curious to see how many are gamelike in comparison to the total. As you've pointed out Isekai stuff has existed for a while, longer than video games have. So a lot of the new stuff is gamelike, particularly Japanese Isekai, but I wonder about the older Isekai stuff.
    The turning point was about 2011/2012 when Log Horizon, SAO, and Overlord came out all quite close to each other and spawned a vast legion of imitators because light novel and manga publishers started trawling web novel sites looking for new cheap deals to find the "next SAO".

    So there is now a vast quantity of gamelike isekai, all of it is terrible and because none of it is original it is almost always terrible in the exact same ways. (Almost inevitably the protagonist has some sort of special unique power that means they never encounter even the slightest challenge and 100% of all female characters will immediately drench the floor in their presence).

    Like if you compare it to all portal fantasy ever written it's probably not a large proportion, but of portal fantasies published in the last decade it's almost all of it.

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    Gamelike isekai is also extremely common because it simplifies worldbuilding. Game worlds are inherently simplified, therefore building a fictional game world is significantly easier and allows you to get away with story simplifying mechanical contrivances in a way that building a fictional world that is intended to maintain actual verisimilitude. This has become even easier over time as a larger and larger portion of the potential audience has acquired extensive familiarity with existing game tropes.

    This is also an effective method because a large portion of gamelike isekai scenarios aren't about the fictional world or any sort of struggle to save it at all (which one of the reasons they are so often so OP, because it means this issue can be safely ignored) and are actually harem fantasy light comedies. The ability to safely leave out all of the nasty aspects of pre-modern life - rampant disease, certain social conventions, general lack of cleanliness, etc. - in your game-based pre-modern reality also helps to preserve the light tone.


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    I'm actually curious to see how many are gamelike in comparison to the total. As you've pointed out Isekai stuff has existed for a while, longer than video games have. So a lot of the new stuff is gamelike, particularly Japanese Isekai, but I wonder about the older Isekai stuff.
    A number of pre-2010 Japanese portal fantasies were very clearly not isekai. The Familiar of Zero is a good example because it is a light comedy harem fantasy in the same way as the game-based scenarios are (and terrible in the same ways) but it utilizes traditional manga magic academy tropes rather than game tropes.
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    I would say that the reason for Gamelike isekai popularity is mostly that it's exactly what games are. When you play game you're transferred from your boring/normal live to world where you are the protagonist. And with internet & MMO starting in to reign as well as immersions of games like Morrowind and first VR sets and Cyberpunk of 1990 transferring to a game become ultimate dream. Moreover in 2010 people who were teenagers in 1990, become young artists and probable some worked at publicist also and games is what the new, what they liked and this kind of story-telling came natural. At this same time it was novel and a way to be somehow different. Additionally as games included many simplification it was interesting way to explore absurdity of those or in case of Log Horizon how they could work (which was amazing)

    And to be honest similar storytelling was done much earlier "Never-ending story" is pretty much this same but instead of transferring to game-world you transfer yourself to book-world. I'm wondering when they will do first Hollywood movie in this style, that could be interesting.

    Oh and interesting question would be which light-novel mange was the first in this genre, GloatingSwine referred to Log Horizon, SAO, and Overlord starting a boom, but those were surely inspired by .hack// franchise, and themselves one of hundreds similar light-novels, just those were really good : )
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    Gamelike isekai is also extremely common because it simplifies worldbuilding. Game worlds are inherently simplified, therefore building a fictional game world is significantly easier and allows you to get away with story simplifying mechanical contrivances in a way that building a fictional world that is intended to maintain actual verisimilitude. This has become even easier over time as a larger and larger portion of the potential audience has acquired extensive familiarity with existing game tropes.

    This is also an effective method because a large portion of gamelike isekai scenarios aren't about the fictional world or any sort of struggle to save it at all (which one of the reasons they are so often so OP, because it means this issue can be safely ignored) and are actually harem fantasy light comedies. The ability to safely leave out all of the nasty aspects of pre-modern life - rampant disease, certain social conventions, general lack of cleanliness, etc. - in your game-based pre-modern reality also helps to preserve the light tone.




    A number of pre-2010 Japanese portal fantasies were very clearly not isekai. The Familiar of Zero is a good example because it is a light comedy harem fantasy in the same way as the game-based scenarios are (and terrible in the same ways) but it utilizes traditional manga magic academy tropes rather than game tropes.
    I actually disagree a bit with it being simpler, because you not only need the regular world building, you also have to come up with a set of gamer rules that interact with the world the character is set in, and make sense. I suppose if you really dont care much and just want the power fantasy harem setup you can just ignore it all and say, "Now our hero does 50 bazillion damage, is immune to anything less than 50 bazillion damage, and has such a high charisma all the ladies want m- HIM! I said him!" But that goes for literally any fanfiction setup. I cant count how many stories ive read where harry one day decides he is going to win at life and suddenly the evil master manipulator dumbledoore with a literal century of scheming and plotting behind him is utterly powerless against the 15 year old harry who learns he is the heir of merlin, has a phoenix animagus form, super magic, and has superlative planning skills thanks to the help of the 15 girls he is contracted to marry who all fall in love with him instantly because he is awesome like that. Or naruto fics where naruto manages to reach elite jounin status or greater before he graduates the academy and has been able to hide it from literally everyone in a village full of professional spies. Also, he and hinata not only hook up but she is eager to see him get with as many women as possible because "Shadow clones /faint" makes it ok.

    Bottom line, it being easy to write a really terrible version of it doesnt make it much of a draw because you can write a really terrible version of anything just as easily. I do agree with asda as to the draw of isekai gamer stories though. Its literally self insert power fantasy and thats really popular. Its why so often the main character on a heroes journey is fairly bland in films. Because it makes it easier to place yourself in their shoes and imagine how you would handle it. On a side note, I love Overlord. Its a lot of fun, and imo does the overpowered main character trope right. Its also a lot of fun because up until a certain point it is enjoyable to argue relative morals because the whole good and evil thing is a matter of debate depending on which side of the story you look from.
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    So ive now read a number of these fics and have started to put together the aspects that I like and dont like. I will reference specific fanfics to illustrate.

    1) I liked a couple aspects of SHINOBI: The RPG - Act 1 I liked that it had real consequences for his stat dump, and thus showed us how being a gamer in a "real" world setting, can cause issues both good and bad. Good, he is able to fight so long as he has a single hp, bad, even KNOWING what the problem is, even KNOWING how to fix it, his stat allotment makes it impossible for him to do anything about it except for using an in game method. For example, wearing gear that increases his charisma, and of course, unlocking a perk that would bump it up to just short of max.

    The other thing I liked is the stats, skills, perks, etc, were not overbearing on the story. In that we didnt get 6 paragraphs of his entire setup several times a chapter. Gamer of Blades is an excellent example of way too many stats and skills and complications at the same time. In SHINOBI the stats and skills were there but they were never intruding on the story in such a way that I felt my eyes glaze over trying to read them all or follow what had happened.

    2) Even though I just knocked it, Gamer of Blades had some really nice ideas in it. For one I really liked how it incorporated a lot of stuff from all sorts of anime and manga. I also felt the author did a decent job in balancing it all together. He is powerful yes, but it doesnt feel like he is god mode powerful like happened in the followup to shinobi. Im sorry if that changes but I coudlnt get too far past the marriage before giving up as it felt silly to me. Maybe its the knowledge that yes he may be overpowered for the world he is in, but there are other gamers out there who can stomp a mudhole in him and walk it dry.

    I liked the concept of grinding skills and such in the little mini dungeons he could create. My complaint was the sheer number of skills he was grinding all at once. Every chapter would include a massive spread of loot, exp, stat boosts and like 20 skill ups, including the very odd and complicated setup for how his blades leveled up. Even though the author intentionally combines similar skills to simplify some things, there was just way too many of them. I also liked the quests, both regular and challenge and even the existence of secret quests you only find out about when you complete them. :p

    3) Bhaalson Remodel is a story thats very short currently but it already has some aspects I like. For one, he is more stuck in a video game than being in a "real" world while he functions on video game logic. So like there was a tutorial section where harry got to repeat as often as he liked till he got everything he wanted out of it. Every night he went to sleep, then woke up and it was groundhog day. The other people he talked to were a mix of very basic npcs that he couldnt hold a conversation with, and more complicated ones that were more like real people. Since leaving the tutorial though, its gotten less video game and more "real" world with interacting with other people, but the skills they are using are the same ones available to the other characters, for the most part, so he doesnt stand out as much as he might. Its an interesting blend to me. The other interesting thing is, i dont think he is going to become overpowered for the setting because the game rules he is operating under are the ones meant for this game. So he can only be "overpowered" in the same way that any player of D&D could get overpowered. By selecting the right mix of skills and abilities and getting to max level. As far as I can tell there wont be any moment where he suddenly loots a fat boy launcher from fallout and nukes waterdeep.
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    Ladies, gentlemen, in-between and none of the above I believe I have found the exception to the "gamelike isekai are all rubbish" rule.

    It is "So I'm a Spider, So what?"

    As you have already guessed from the title, it is an isekai where the main character has been reincarnated in a mk. 1 standard isekai game world but as a small crap spider monster.

    It has a few traits which will, hopefully, stop it turning into ultra-horny male fantasy wish fulfilment:

    1. Female protagonist. This usually takes some of the horn off.
    2. The protagonist is a spider. And not one of the ones with a naked lady on top. (Those are more common than you'd expect). Just a spider.
    3. The protagonist is actually having to work for things. As a newborn spider literally everything tries to eat or kill her, including her new spider-parent. Because that's how spiders roll. Also it is a bit of a genre parody, the protagonist has seen an isekai or two and knows that you always pick the Appraise skill to cheat. But it's **** at level 1, it can tell you a rock is a rock, and that's it.

    (That last one is the most important, really, because the real core problem of the genre is "protagonist-kun is handed or always just kinda had ultimate power within the gamelike world")

    (And if you thought being recarnated as a spider wasn't sufficiently humiliating, all of her classmates and teacher also got reincarnated as various nobles and princes).

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    I actually just heard about that one. I will be honest, I just started buying that time I got reincarnated as a slime so ive got a lot of reading to do before I can start buying the spider light novels. And there is a decent isekai/gamer mix in slime. With skills, what amounts to a tutorial/help menu in the great sage and so on. I also just finished The Games We Play. That one was an excellent gamer fic for about half its length, then it turned into something slightly different but still really enjoyable while keeping a lot of the aesthetic. Too bad about the sequel. The Gamer Hero, Deku is another one thats a lot of fun and still in progress. Im not entirely sure if it will stay a lot of fun because there was some rather sizeable power boosts recently that might unbalance it, but its still interesting. My only complaint is that it feels unrealistic how everyone is reacting to him. There seems to be little to no jealousy as he constantly gets stronger and stronger and more and more "special" Though at least part of it may be because he is famous for making it possible for everyone else to get stronger to an extent as well. Either way, a nice read so far.
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    Afaict Spider-Isekai is what Slime-Isekai would have been if the main character had to put in effort to win and didn't just get infinite power and victory handed to him over and over again.

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    Ladies, gentlemen, in-between and none of the above I believe I have found the exception to the "gamelike isekai are all rubbish" rule.

    It is "So I'm a Spider, So what?"

    As you have already guessed from the title, it is an isekai where the main character has been reincarnated in a mk. 1 standard isekai game world but as a small crap spider monster.

    It has a few traits which will, hopefully, stop it turning into ultra-horny male fantasy wish fulfilment:

    1. Female protagonist. This usually takes some of the horn off.
    2. The protagonist is a spider. And not one of the ones with a naked lady on top. (Those are more common than you'd expect). Just a spider.
    3. The protagonist is actually having to work for things. As a newborn spider literally everything tries to eat or kill her, including her new spider-parent. Because that's how spiders roll. Also it is a bit of a genre parody, the protagonist has seen an isekai or two and knows that you always pick the Appraise skill to cheat. But it's **** at level 1, it can tell you a rock is a rock, and that's it.

    (That last one is the most important, really, because the real core problem of the genre is "protagonist-kun is handed or always just kinda had ultimate power within the gamelike world")

    (And if you thought being recarnated as a spider wasn't sufficiently humiliating, all of her classmates and teacher also got reincarnated as various nobles and princes).
    So I'm a Spider is really good. I haven't read all that's available, but it's genuinly funny with the character's inner monologues being quite the delight. My only problem is it does drag on with too much grinding and not enough actually looking to interact with stuff.

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    I actually just heard about that one. I will be honest, I just started buying that time I got reincarnated as a slime so ive got a lot of reading to do before I can start buying the spider light novels. And there is a decent isekai/gamer mix in slime. With skills, what amounts to a tutorial/help menu in the great sage and so on. I also just finished The Games We Play. That one was an excellent gamer fic for about half its length, then it turned into something slightly different but still really enjoyable while keeping a lot of the aesthetic. Too bad about the sequel. The Gamer Hero, Deku is another one thats a lot of fun and still in progress. Im not entirely sure if it will stay a lot of fun because there was some rather sizeable power boosts recently that might unbalance it, but its still interesting. My only complaint is that it feels unrealistic how everyone is reacting to him. There seems to be little to no jealousy as he constantly gets stronger and stronger and more and more "special" Though at least part of it may be because he is famous for making it possible for everyone else to get stronger to an extent as well. Either way, a nice read so far.
    Reincarnated as a Slime isn't nearly as good. It's alright, but I lose a lot of interest as the main character really quickly becomes incredibly OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloatingSwine View Post
    Ladies, gentlemen, in-between and none of the above I believe I have found the exception to the "gamelike isekai are all rubbish" rule.

    It is "So I'm a Spider, So what?"

    As you have already guessed from the title, it is an isekai where the main character has been reincarnated in a mk. 1 standard isekai game world but as a small crap spider monster.

    It has a few traits which will, hopefully, stop it turning into ultra-horny male fantasy wish fulfilment:

    1. Female protagonist. This usually takes some of the horn off.
    2. The protagonist is a spider. And not one of the ones with a naked lady on top. (Those are more common than you'd expect). Just a spider.
    3. The protagonist is actually having to work for things. As a newborn spider literally everything tries to eat or kill her, including her new spider-parent. Because that's how spiders roll. Also it is a bit of a genre parody, the protagonist has seen an isekai or two and knows that you always pick the Appraise skill to cheat. But it's **** at level 1, it can tell you a rock is a rock, and that's it.

    (That last one is the most important, really, because the real core problem of the genre is "protagonist-kun is handed or always just kinda had ultimate power within the gamelike world")

    (And if you thought being recarnated as a spider wasn't sufficiently humiliating, all of her classmates and teacher also got reincarnated as various nobles and princes).


    If orgot that one as I stumbled upon it in its webcomic form, so it didnt even register when the OP asked ... but yes. Its (if you likethe humor) extremel good.

    But, again, give The Games We Play a go.
    While it IS fanfiction, lets be honest so are almost all premises of the "Isekai" Genre (be it they use well known mosnters, as with the SPider, the SLime or the Goblin, or serial numbers filed off worlds or 3 of them ^^), and since it manages to make the background Excplanations BETTER than the Original, focusses on totally underutilized Characters (sans the Hero) AND does all of that well, ....did I mention I loved it? ^^0

    Thje Lockdown and health problems allowed me to do a full reread a few weeks ago, and aside from of ciourse no longer having the "WHAT??!!?" Moments, it is still a very good read.
    A neutron walks into a bar and says, “How much for a beer?” The bartender says, “For you? No charge.”

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    Later: An atom walks into a bar an asks the bartender “Have you seen an electron? I left it in here last night.” The bartender says, “Are you sure?” The atom says, “I’m positive.”

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    I finished reading the games we play and put my review of it in a previous post. Right now im reading that Kill Them All worm/gamer story. i think im getting close to the end of it and im enjoying it a lot. Its hilariously absurd and overpowered and yet somehow not. I do enjoy how so far it seems like the shinobi one where the guy dumped cha and suffers for it, but in this case its wisdom thats causing a lot of problems, along with the gamer ability itself. Curious to see if that will ever get addressed or fixed by the end of the story
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    I was hoping with her gaining levels after killing the endbringers and the other quests she finished she would finally be able to put stat points into wisdom but for some reason she doesnt seem to get those anymore. Ah well, she seems to be doing better anyways, at least she got a couple more points from random conclusions she has reached.
    But yeah, anyways, im loving most of the stories that have been suggested, though too be fair ive been sticking to fanfiction mostly.

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    The author never did address the wisdom issue, or even the gamer issue, it just kinda... vanished.
    Still, an awesome story, well worth reading. It had the gamer stuff I liked, with skills, stats, resistances, and all taken mostly in the background instead of flooding the story. Despite the VAST power creep there was always a threat that she had to deal with without casual ease. The final battle was the perfect escalation with the threat that was looming over her head from early on making its appearance in a way I didnt expect, and I liked how the story itself finally ended.
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    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    Traab is yelling everything that I'm thinking already.
    "If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."

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    Ah sorry, overlooked that, as you tended to make visible poinbts for your other reviews. ^^

    And yeah, well, he WAS in a corner via a Seuquel given where it ended, yet I still would like another large similar fic from the author, he obviosuly has skillz.
    A neutron walks into a bar and says, “How much for a beer?” The bartender says, “For you? No charge.”

    01010100011011110010000001100010011001010010000001 10111101110010001000000110111001101111011101000010 00000111010001101111001000000110001001100101001011 100010111000101110

    Later: An atom walks into a bar an asks the bartender “Have you seen an electron? I left it in here last night.” The bartender says, “Are you sure?” The atom says, “I’m positive.”

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    After the spider isekai I cant help but wonder what sort of crazy will happen next.

    Next on the Isekai parade "I Was A Good Guy So Why Am I An Imp?!" Watch as a young man who died early finds himself spawning as an imp in the outskirts of the abyssal plane. How will he adapt to his new circumstances? In what way shall he evolve? Can he survive the threats from higher powered demons? Will they learn he doesnt belong there? Why wont this drunken angel leave him alone if she cant get him out of here?!
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    So I just started reading a new gamer fic My Hero Playthrough Its a My Hero Academia gamer fic and its got some interesting changes. For starters, the stats seem to work a bit different and there are more of them. Secondly, when he went to his mom about training she had him invite her into the party so she could keep an eye on him and make sure he wasnt pushing himself too far. Third, he teams up with one other cast member early on then the three of them start doing dungeon runs which are basically Disgaea setups where they go into an item to raise its quality but do a generic number of mobs plus boss to clear. So far that hasnt seemed to do a lot to the items though but that might come into it later as right now they are mainly running basic pencil dungeons because they are safer. I also like the direction the author is going with the main characters personality. I wont spoil that as its fairly important. I will say he does not have One For All yet nor any obvious reason to get it soon. Its all his gamer skills.
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    Ladies, gentlemen, in-between and none of the above I believe I have found the exception to the "gamelike isekai are all rubbish" rule.

    It is "So I'm a Spider, So what?"

    As you have already guessed from the title, it is an isekai where the main character has been reincarnated in a mk. 1 standard isekai game world but as a small crap spider monster.

    It has a few traits which will, hopefully, stop it turning into ultra-horny male fantasy wish fulfilment:

    1. Female protagonist. This usually takes some of the horn off.
    2. The protagonist is a spider. And not one of the ones with a naked lady on top. (Those are more common than you'd expect). Just a spider.
    3. The protagonist is actually having to work for things. As a newborn spider literally everything tries to eat or kill her, including her new spider-parent. Because that's how spiders roll. Also it is a bit of a genre parody, the protagonist has seen an isekai or two and knows that you always pick the Appraise skill to cheat. But it's **** at level 1, it can tell you a rock is a rock, and that's it.

    (That last one is the most important, really, because the real core problem of the genre is "protagonist-kun is handed or always just kinda had ultimate power within the gamelike world")

    (And if you thought being recarnated as a spider wasn't sufficiently humiliating, all of her classmates and teacher also got reincarnated as various nobles and princes).

    So ive started reading these books, finished the first two. Im going to spoiler the talk for those who havent read it.
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    Ok, first things first? The first book is AMAZING. its basically exactly what im after with a gamer fic. Learning how the new world works, struggling to survive, gaining new skills, and at no point is she actually super powered as everything can and will kill her, its her ambush tactics and intelligent use of skills that have let her defeat creatures that should treat her as a snack. I will add in one caveat to my quoted persons post. Not EVERYONE is a noble. One of the classmates is also a monster, but in his case is a super powerful dragon monster. or at least has the chance to become one. Our main character is a spider, even if they survive and evolve and grow big and strong, they have terrible stats compared to basically any other monster. Like, a basic level 10 spider of her type would have 32 hp, a basic level 10 earth dragon would have 10x as much, and similar to other stats. And that ratio never really closes.

    Now, book 2. It starts off as more of the same, desperate spider trying hard to survive. But unfortunately, things are changing. She has unlocked these mysterious skills that are super unbalanced and powerful, but also are very ominous in name and potential downsides. She is discovering there is something very odd going on in this world, including what seems like her managing to hear from game admins. The foreshadowing seems to imply that she is about to become a demon lord of some sort. Im kind of curious because I can see the story taking a bit of a swerve away from gamer style into a more standard isekai anime adventure as aside from grinding levels to eventually evolve into a arachnae or drider type of spider creature so she can talk to humans so sorry about that aspect being proven wrong Gloating. It hasnt happened yet, but its currently her goal because she wants to talk to people and thinks telepathy is a waste of skill points as she is still in survival mindset.

    I bought book 3 and will be reading that tonight, but so far I am enjoying the story, and will wait to see the direction it takes before I commit to it fully. I do like the aspect thats been brought up in story a few times now. Where they mention that the main thing that keeps monsters from killing everyone is the lack of intelligence at grinding skills, and we are seeing that happen now. Already she is probably one of the deadliest spiders in the labyrinth. Mainly because she has been grinding stat boosting abilities that multiply her stat increases every time she levels and practicing her skills to max them out. Her spider poison is apparently absurdly powerful, capable of quickly murdering the heck out of even high level creatures in seconds. On top of that, she has unlocked several stat cursing evil eye abilities and is intending to use them all at once. She is like a spider beholder monster able to apply every nasty ability you can think of at once. Iirc paralyze, curse which drops stats, petrify, charm, fear, sleep, I think there is an evil eye rot spell that might as well be disintegrate for the damage she seems to dish out with it.


    Anyways, if you want to bring in more spoilers, please remember to include what books you are spoiling so i dont accidentally ruin a future novel for myself. Im also still looking for more fanfiction gamer stories if you have them. Ive enjoyed most of the ones already mentioned here.
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    So I read books 3 and 4.
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    First off, i guessed the twist of the time difference. I wasnt certain but I was pretty sure the spiders activities were set earlier in the storyline fromt he way things switched back and forth. It was confirmed in these books. Im still working on why she is the new demon lord but im sure that will come up soon in the next book or two. As for the events of the story. Wow. First off, I love the constantly evolving strategy she enacts on her opponents. Teleporting to the middle stratum to take down higher level more flammable spiders is brilliant. I love the twist about Momma and the ongoing mental war between them. The existence of this original spider is terrifying. Her evolution into an undead and immortal spider was a great twist, though imo it kind of reduces the stakes for her. In the first couple books, she couldnt get hit or else it would kill or cripple her until she leveled up. Then she got the auto hp regen which meant at least she wasnt STUCK crippled after a fight until she levels. Now, we havent seen the actual limit of her ability but she was blown into little itty bitty pieces and eventually woke up a floating head in the ocean. Short of being devoured, or maybe dropped in magma, its hard to say if anything would actually finish her off. But the grand game of cat and mouse with the momma and the originator is more or less over. She took out most of those puppet spiders for big boosts, then managed to claim a HUGE stat boost from her mental warfare with momma before finishing her off. Thats absurd and im shocked she didnt evolve after that.

    As for the whole big reveal of the evil god and the admins using peoples deaths to gain power. Im not sure what to think about all this. First off, i dont trust the official story told by the elves and the reincarnations former teacher. There has to be more to it than that otherwise there is literally no point in fighting. It doesnt matter if they die strong or weak, every death makes the admins stronger anyways. So at best keeping the reincarnations from getting strong is just making sure the admins dont get AS GOOD of a meal from their eventual deaths. big fat hairy deal. Unless we learn the elves have a way to fight the admins and want to restrict their growth as much as possible till they are ready, the situation as stated doesnt make much sense. Also, the dislike the reincarnations have for their former teacher, im curious to see how justified that is. She seems to honestly be wanting to help them, but its possible she is being forced to do things she doesnt want to that hurt them because the other option the elves will take is worse. Im very curious to see how things go.

    Im looking forward to learning what the big brain plan is here from our spider demon lord to justify this huge war. Im sure there is something going on here, I just dont know what. Is our main character being corrupted? Does she learn something that justifies this war? Are the elves the secret bad guys this whole time while the demons are just misunderstood? Tine in next time! Though, again, with a near 10 year time span for our main character to get through, there is going to be a LOT of things going on before we catch up to current times.
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    Since you like "So I'm a Spider, So What?" I present to you https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...ani-ka.732418/ a crossover with Worm. Taylor triggers and instead of bug control powers, she becomes a very small spider. The story is currently on hiatus, but is sitting around 130,000 words at present. The author really seems to capture the humor from "So I'm a Spider, So What?" and I thought it was very humorous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMSJR View Post
    Since you like "So I'm a Spider, So What?" I present to you https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...ani-ka.732418/ a crossover with Worm. Taylor triggers and instead of bug control powers, she becomes a very small spider. The story is currently on hiatus, but is sitting around 130,000 words at present. The author really seems to capture the humor from "So I'm a Spider, So What?" and I thought it was very humorous.

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    So I read it and wow are you ever absolutely right. Excellent story, sucks it stopped right when the mystery was getting good. But yeah, it did a great job of grabbing the humor of so im a spider. Along with the roller coaster that never ends of "I am AMAZING! Oh no, half my body is gone!"
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    Traab is yelling everything that I'm thinking already.
    "If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."

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    Ok, HOW do you read things this fast? It's been less than 24 hours since I posted that, and that is only if you saw it right when I posted it rather than 5 or 6 hours later seeing as I posted it around 2:00am or so. Teach me your speed reading ways!

    (also, now whenever I am about to hop off something I hear a little voice in my head yelling "parkour")

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMSJR View Post
    Ok, HOW do you read things this fast? It's been less than 24 hours since I posted that, and that is only if you saw it right when I posted it rather than 5 or 6 hours later seeing as I posted it around 2:00am or so. Teach me your speed reading ways!

    (also, now whenever I am about to hop off something I hear a little voice in my head yelling "parkour")

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    130k words doesn't take all THAT long to read. Maybe 6 hours or so based on my own habits. Less fi I get really sucked in.

    It's part of the reason I'm so addicted to web novels; buying real novels became a financially unsustainable hobby because I could read about one a day before bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynjin View Post
    130k words doesn't take all THAT long to read. Maybe 6 hours or so based on my own habits. Less fi I get really sucked in.

    It's part of the reason I'm so addicted to web novels; buying real novels became a financially unsustainable hobby because I could read about one a day before bed.
    I mean I can binge read offline books to that level, but somewhere along the way my ability to do that online got a little on a fritz. My attention just keeps shifting between streams, lets plays, videogames, my roleplays and what I want to read, I really need to stop so I can really deeply focus and complete stuff rather than flitting back and forth between this and that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynjin View Post
    130k words doesn't take all THAT long to read. Maybe 6 hours or so based on my own habits. Less fi I get really sucked in.

    It's part of the reason I'm so addicted to web novels; buying real novels became a financially unsustainable hobby because I could read about one a day before bed.
    Basically this. I mean, i also reread my stories a LOT to try and stretch out my budget. When I was younger I was curious about my reading speed as it seemed fast so I took a new book, read for an hour, then tested myself on the details, primarily by having my mom open to random pages I had read and ask me questions. I found I could read over 100 pages an hour if I focus and retain basically all of it. I have a bad habit when it comes to books of not stopping till im done. Thats why i was posting two books of so im a spider at once. Its absurdly tempting for me to read one, then go straight to the next to find out whats going on when a series grabs me. I have to force myself to take breaks or else I burn out on a series.
    "Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
    Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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    "If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."

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    Well, here is some more grist for the mill. "The Paragamer" https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...mplete.496126/ . It is at around 300,000 words and the author has completed Book 1, but has not started posting Book 2 yet. It is set in Worm, but the main character is an original character and the story only moves to Brockton Bay towards the end of Book 1. It looks like Book 2 when it begins will take place in Brockton Bay. It starts the main character off slowly and it takes a while for him to start to gain some power. He tries to join the PRT at first, but since he only really has his "Inspect" then and it is at low levels, they sort of blow him off thinking he just has a very weak Thinker ability. I hope you like it.

    Did you ever read "A Bad Name" https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...-gamer.500626/ or "The Adventures of Harry Potter the Video Game Exploited" https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9708318...Game-Exploited ? I mentioned those in my first post.

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