Enderlord's Random Banter #230 (Friendly warning: Might teleport. Don't get wet.)

[Rawhide]

Animal Crossing is also on:
Nintendo 64 (Japan only)
GameCube (Enhanced N64 version, worldwide including Japan)
Wii
Wii U
DS
3DS

If you have any of those, you can experience an earlier version of the series.


There's also a version on iOS and Android. It's very cut down, very heavy on micro-transactions. Not recommended.

[Peelee]

There's also a version on iOS and Android. It's very cut down, very heavy on micro-transactions. Not recommended.

Who taught Tom Nook how to use dev apps?

[Rater202]

So, a thing my family buys sometimes are basically breaded/battered balls of goat cheese that you fry or cook in the oven. They come with a cheesy marinara sauce so they're a bit like mozzarella sticks but goat cheese instead of mozzarella.

You bite into them, and it doesn't really taste anything like "cheese" in my mind, a bit sour... honestly, my first thought trying them was "I don't like this..." until I found myself eating more despite myself and now it's grown on me and I can't explain why I like them.

Anyone else have a food like that?

[Peelee]

So, a thing my family buys sometimes are basically breaded/battered balls of goat cheese that you fry or cook in the oven. They come with a cheesy marinara sauce so they're a bit like mozzarella sticks but goat cheese instead of mozzarella.

You bite into them, and it doesn't really taste anything like "cheese" in my mind, a bit sour... honestly, my first thought trying them was "I don't like this..." until I found myself eating more despite myself and now it's grown on me and I can't explain why I like them.

Anyone else have a food like that?

IIRC traditional mozzarella is made with goat milk! Just a fun fact there. I don't think it's really that easy to find outside of Italy, though.

Anyway, yeah. Guthrie's sauce. Every thing I dip my fries in it I'm like, "i don't know if I like this. Not sure. Don't think so. Nah, not too good." By which point every gry has been dipped and the fry box and sauce are both empty.

[enderlord99]

I don't think Nintendo has ever put out a game on more than one platform but I could be wrong.

Twilight Princess, IIRC.

[Rawhide]

Twilight Princess, IIRC.

And Breath of the Wild.

But that isn't what he meant, those are just different generations of Nintendo consoles. Nintendo made games don't appear on non-Nintendo consoles (except for some iOS/Android games).

[The Fury]

I put it off to read Initial Sparks, since I was participating in Fury's book club thread at the time and then just didn't get around to reading the Dresden novel.

I'm late to the party on this one, but thanks again for doing that. You added a lot to that thread.

I think what I'm gathering here is that if I wanted to do a TTRPG in my book's setting, I should extend my horrifying mindflayer ass graspers at Rater and Raziere

Batman Beyond is the best, and Mark Hamil's work in Batman Beyond is his best work.

Aw, man. Now I'm imagining what I would play in your book's setting. Probably token vanilla human in way over their head.

"Oh no! There's an aeromancer leading those ONY operatives!"

"Yeah, and we know that there's mnemonic puppets out there somewhere! What do we do, Fury?"

"I don't know! I'm just an ordinary person!"

As long as we're talking about Mark Hamill playing The Joker, my favorite still has to be Mask of The Phantasm. While his scenes in Return of The Joker were undoubtedly some of the darkest the character has ever been, Mask of The Phantasm had some scenes where he seemed threatening, then amiable, then... terrifying.

For real though, Batman Beyond was rad as hell.

[Rater202]

I'm late to the party on this one, but thanks again for doing that. You added a lot to that thread.

Yeah. Was fun.

I'm probably gonna go through Initial Sparks again at some point. See if there are any minor details I missed. Maybe fill out the Trope page more.

[The Fury]

Yeah. Was fun.

I'm probably gonna go through Initial Sparks again at some point. See if there are any minor details I missed. Maybe fill out the Trope page more.

Yeah, I really ought to add some stuff to the Tropes page too. There really ought to be a YMMV subpage. There's some stuff in there that qualifies as Nightmare Fuel in my opinion.

I'll definitely reread Initial Sparks at least once before Hidden Embers comes out.

[Rater202]

...Zodi?

So I actually got a bit...

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Was Rei's home city being called "Laketown" a Tolkien reference?

Becuase, if so... That's a concerning reference to make when the protagonist has power over fire and a personality best described as being "fire incarnate."

...And now I'm imagining Rei as a dragon and it fits with what I recall of her character.

[Anonymouswizard]

God, I had trouble reading it because of people at work talking and so never finished the first chapter. Sorry Zodi! (At least you still have my money. Unless you spent it.)

I really need to get back to writing. Get one of these story ideas down on paper, or actually finish one of my games (Intelligent Hamsters from Beyond the Stars is looking the mopst promising, mainly because I've written about 80% of the rules and the rest is setting, advice, and linking text).

[AtlanteanTroll]

If you're looking for cyberpunk, or perhaps dystopian cyberpunk specifically, then I can wholeheartedly recommend the shadowrun returns RPGs. Deadman's switch, Dragonfall and Hong Kong are all very good. Crapsack world, megacorps exploiting people for profit, mercenary work for and against megacorps, sci-fi, it's cyberpunk to a T.

Is there non-dystopian cyberpunk?

[Peelee]

Is there non-dystopian cyberpunk?

Sure, the Outher Rim of Star Wars galaxy.

[The Fury]

...Zodi?

So I actually got a bit...

Spoiler: Possible Spoiler's for Zodi's book

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Was Rei's home city being called "Laketown" a Tolkien reference?

Becuase, if so... That's a concerning reference to make when the protagonist has power over fire and a personality best described as being "fire incarnate."

...And now I'm imagining Rei as a dragon and it fits with what I recall of her character.

Spoiler: Zodi's book stuff

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It seems like it might be a somewhat oblique reference to Tolkien. Rei has personality traits that are like fire, sure. Though I don't see her as deliberately destructive, so she could be like a dragon I suppose. She's definitely no Smaug though.

[Razade]

IIRC traditional mozzarella is made with goat milk! Just a fun fact there. I don't think it's really that easy to find outside of Italy, though.

Mozzarella is made with goat cheese but it is not, by any metric, traditional. It's actually fairly recent. Traditional mozzarealla is either fior di latte which is unpasteurized cow's milk or buffalo mozzarella which is made from the Italian Buffalo, a type of water buffalo.

[Anonymouswizard]

Is there non-dystopian cyberpunk?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

There is less dystopian cyberpunk, and there is also post-cyberpunk. You can argue both for and against the latter being it's own genre, and how integral the notion of dystopia is to cyberpunk.

But at the very least there are stories that take cyberpunk ideas and run in not entirely dystopian directions with them. The book Altered Carbon is halfway there, Snow Crash presents a relatively soft vision of your classic cyberpunk world structure (weakened government+strengthened corporations), and various other examples that slip my mind right now. You've also got TTRPG settings like Transhuman Space and Eclipse Phase that include strong cyberpunk elements but fall all over the place on the utopia-dystopia scale.

It all depends on what you count as cyberpunk. The historical roots of the genre go back at least decades before Neuromancer, I'd personally argue that Caves of Steel (a very idealistic novel with a society not meant to be dystopian or utopian) is an example of proto-cyberpunk (but YMMV). It's all a case of perspective and personal definitions.

[Peelee]

Me when I was in an apartment: "Man, this is bull. I spend all this money and at the end of the day I don't own anything. Whenever I decide to leave, I get none of that money back. I need a house."
Me now that I own a house: "...I miss when literally everything was 'not my ****ing problem.'"

[2D8HP]

Me when I was in an apartment: "Man, this is bull. I spend all this money and at the end of the day I don't own anything. Whenever I decide to leave, I get none of that money back. I need a house."
Me now that I own a house: "...I miss when literally everything was 'not my ****ing problem.'"

Still worth it to not hear every footsteps of your neighbors @Peelee

[Lord Raziere]

Sure, the Outer Rim of Star Wars galaxy.

Well Outer Rim technically thats really a space western mixed with mafia stories and pirate stories so.....kind of three different genres there. like Star Wars is basically a mix of space pulp genres that probably have nothing to with cyberpunk.

also, Nar Shadda disagrees and says its a total dystopia.

[Peelee]

Still worth it to not hear every footsteps of your neighbors @Peelee

Oh, I don't regret a thing. But I do miss that feeling. Nobody ever tells you that with the house comes a free Sword of Damocles.

Well Outer Rim technically thats really a space western mixed with mafia stories and pirate stories so.....kind of three different genres there. like Star Wars is basically a mix of space pulp genres that probably have nothing to with cyberpunk.

also, Nar Shadda disagrees and says its a total dystopia.

Hutt Space is not dystopian at all. Heck, if anything, Hutt Space is even more non-dystopian cyberpunk (Nar Shadaa being a pinnacle of it).

[Lord Raziere]

Hutt Space is not dystopian at all. Heck, if anything, Hutt Space is even more non-dystopian cyberpunk (Nar Shadaa being a pinnacle of it).

again, three different genres of space pulp mixed together: actual cyberpunk doesn't allow you find a ship and go found a new colony on the frontier or travel around to better planets, thats more of a space western thing. cyberpunk is all about the fact that you can't really escape it.

also what are you talking about, Nar Shadaa is literally a city of urban decay run by crime lords with poor people who if they get a credit will get mugged for that credit if you give it to them. it is the most wretched of hives where desperation, scum and villainy are all that you'll find. it is a dystopia, just because its in Star Wars noblebright space pulp fantasy where you can get on your ship and take off to visit some paradise doesn't mean it isn't.

[Mith]

Still worth it to not hear every footsteps of your neighbors @Peelee

While I am a while away from having to deal with home vs. an apartment, my issue is that I both would love just a small little area to call my own (like I like large apartment sizes for the most part), and roughly a ****ton of land (I live in the Prairies, we have the room) so that my only sign of neighbors is chimney smoke.

This problem can be solved with a small house on a lot of land, but that requires a lot of money that I am in no position to have.

[enderlord99]

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It is my understanding that when Peelee says something that is not true, it is almost always an attempt to be funny.

Hutt Space is not dystopian at all.

This was clearly an attempt to make everyone laugh until they pass unconscious from lack of oxygen. It didn't work. I'm someone, and I barely giggled.

[Lord Raziere]

Oh, okay. sorry I didn't get the joke?

[enderlord99]

Oh, okay. sorry I didn't get the joke?

Do you mean the "say something outrageous"-joke Peelee was probably making or the "observe a phenomenon and extrapolate with more detail than optimal"-joke?

I don't actually think that the less true something Peelee says is, the funnier he's trying to be; it seems more of a boolean "IF:THEN" than a scalar gradient.

[Lord Raziere]

Do you mean the "say something outrageous"-joke Peelee was probably making or the "observe a phenomenon and extrapolate with more detail than optimal"-joke?

I don't actually think that the less true something Peelee says is, the funnier he's trying to be; it seems more of a boolean "IF:THEN" than a scalar gradient.

I don't know, I'm just apologizing in general.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm sorry that you feel like you have to do that.

[enderlord99]

I'm sorry that you feel like you have to do that.

...as am I.

[DataNinja]

I don't know, I'm just apologizing in general.

Ah, an honourary Canadian! Step right over here. You can get your hockey stick and pet moose on your right, and over on the left here are your extraneous 'u's. The maple syrup fountain is up ahead.

[Fyraltari]

I don't know, I'm just apologizing in general.

You monster.