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Thread: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
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2021-03-12, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-12, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
Assuming we have the time and don't get interrupted thinking like this:
Search his body - see if there is a key for that padlock.
Take anything valuable and portable - Winfred wants the Ledger as it might prove "interesting".
Check the pockets of all the clothes giving her an excuse not to be the one opening the chest
Examine the hatbox
Check out that pile of junk outside
If the clothes are worthless see if they can go to the Temple for the children
For the croc it can either go to the Temple or dude who was running the lizard stall. They can have the meat but Winifred wants the skin
If we need help to move stuff there is the skiff and can also impress our prisoners in exchange for their stuff back and/or their miserable livesLast edited by wilphe; 2021-03-12 at 04:50 PM.
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2021-03-16, 04:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
Insanity check (1d100)[75] vs. 55 (WP 35, Easy difficulty +20)
+1 IP it is.Last edited by rax; 2021-03-16 at 04:10 AM.
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2021-03-17, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
We did manage to open the strongbox the ledger was on right?
Also I went from "that's not a great haul but maybe its worth something"
to
"there is way too much money here for us to get to keep any of it"
Partially also because I am worried we haven't been told when to use our special fortune point
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2021-03-17, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, not sure how to react to everyone just shrugging their shoulders and going "Eh, so we got our job from a ghost?"
@DrK
I know this adventure is an adaptation from Pathfinder, and obviously familiarity with magic and magic-related creatures is much higher in Pathfinder than in Warhammer, but what level of "unnatural" things should I expect Cassian to be familiar with or have encountered before. Is Cassian overreacting to this discovery or is it in fact intended to be unusual even by the standards of Golarion?
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2021-03-17, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well at least Andrei's a wizard. Lore of Death has spells for talking to the recently dead and seeing spirits so I figure he's seen them demononstrated. The question would be is there anything more going on here that we aren't aware of yet.
Admittedly I've never played pathfinder so this level of blase might be inappropriate.
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2021-03-17, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks to Emperor Ing for the nice Avatar
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2021-03-17, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Winifred is firmly in "this is very weird and creepy but this whole thing was weird and creepy already and there isn't anything I can do about it right now so I am going to try and keep my focus"
Being hired by Zellara's ghost would be less disturbing to her than being setup by an unknown third party capable of impersonating her
Not to mention they've already dealt with a crocodile that they've seen eat children and Lamm was obviously Not a Nice Person so she expected to find something gross
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2021-03-17, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-18, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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@DrK
Asking for a straight OOC answer here.
I feel Cassian would want to bring Zellara's head with him to turn her over to the Pharasmans for a decent burial, but it feels like the scene is building towards us being swept up in events that won't let us choose our own way/destination for a while. Should I just have Cassian react differently in order not to cause unnecessary derailment?
@everyone else
Wouldn't it be easier to bring the loot along by stuffing it in one or more of our backpacks? We all have them, after all.
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2021-03-18, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I get the impression that there is more than we can reasonably take.
And 100% want to take zellara with us
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2021-03-19, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks to Emperor Ing for the nice Avatar
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2021-03-20, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-20, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
Well:
We found that list, and then it seems we started opening boxes and found
As you all search the room the keys you found on his belt help open up some of the boxes allowing you to find some of the jewels and expensive looking items.
Which appears to be more stuff and is going to take time to scoop up
And apparently there are still boxes we can't open
So even if we can carry it all I'm not sure it's a good idea to hang around trying to
That said if there are boxes we can't open we should probably try just to check though I guess we have everything of plot significance
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2021-03-20, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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That doesn't read to me like we found mountains of stuff that can't just be tipped into a backpack, but I'm sure DrK can clear that up for us.
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2021-03-20, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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We still have the acid, if necessary Winifred can burn off the hinges on any boxes we can't open.
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2021-03-22, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry I had not made it clear. The summary of the loot was all the "good stuff". In other boxes, bags and cupboards is more or less worthless crap.
Thanks to Emperor Ing for the nice Avatar
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2021-03-23, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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If I understand correctly - we are at the top of the map and the cathedral we want to get to is at the bottom?
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2021-03-23, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
I'm sorry all, but I feel like I should tell you instead of just ghosting. I'm pulling the plug on all of my gaming. I need to focus on other things.
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2021-03-23, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Goodbye and good luck
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2021-03-23, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry to hear that, but thanks for dropping by to let us know. There's way too many ghosts in PbP games. Best of luck with your other priorities.
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2021-03-23, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-23, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am greatly enjoying the evolving relationship between Cassian and Winifred btw
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2021-03-24, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-24, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well Cassian isn't stopping her - he had the option.
Partial lack of ruthlessness on her part, also pragmatism
If you kill people who surrender to you - word gets around and then people stop surrendering to you - or accepting your surrender when you offer it.
Our quarrel was with Lamm in any case and leaving them alive makes it look like a neater job done by professionals and possibly makes it less likely to attract official attention.
It might also leave with less of thirst for vengeance than if we just leave them to die and they escape
Also there is killing an evil person just sends them to the evil gods, giving them the chance to repent gives them the chance of going to the good gods (if that works in this cosmology)
I assume at this point that quote is proverbial even if you aren't in Middle Earth through a process of interplanar cultural osmosis
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2021-03-24, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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What's Cassian supposed to do - physically restrain her? If she's not going to listen to his arguments about why we should just let them be, why would he imagine that she won't just go right ahead and release them as soon as he lets her go?
Regarding the point about not killing people who've surrendered, Cassian and Winifred are in agreement, which is why he's never advocated killing them.
For Cassian's part, he's not concerned with appearing "professional" because he's not looking for work and he's not afraid of what any officials might think. He also doesn't believe Lamm or his crooks have any friends that would stand up for them once they've been taken down and he believes his station as the son of (low-ranking and foreign) nobility will protect him.
As for the crooks seeking revenge, Cassian doesn't for a second believe that they won't do that just because we let them go now. These are evil men with no morals - they'll perceive Winifred's actions as a sign of weakness, not decency.
The last point doesn't work for him at all. People that need killing deserve that, no matter what theological consequences it may have.
Anyway, strictly OOC, I hope Winifred isn't going to be like this all the time. If she continually acts against Cassian's perceived better judgement and does so to his face, he's not going to see any point in continuing to associate with her. As things stand, she's just a bossy serving girl - no one who's opinion he has to care about.
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2021-03-25, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
We he didn't say don't do it
He said it will be on her conscience not his, I read that as go ahead not my problem
OOC:
It's unlikely - she's currently going along with burying Zellara even though she'd rather sneak away and lie low and deal with that when there is not a riot going on, but if your character concept involves a strong element of "The other PCs should do what I say" bear in mind there is no IC reason for us to do so and OOC we didn't sign up for that kind of game.
There is nothing wrong with a noble plus entourage game but that isn't what this was billed as
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2021-03-25, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm sorry, wilphe, but I don't understand what you're asking of me here? You started by having Winifred declare her intent to release the prisoners unless anyone had any objections. Cassian objected and explained why he didn't think they should be released. Winifred argued with him and decided to release the prisoners anyway.
How did Cassian not say "don't do it" short of ordering her not to do it? Nothing about the way you've played Winifred so far has given me reason to expect that she would ever accept a direct order, so the only remaining option would have been to physically restrain her. That was never on the books because I didn't see that ending well IC or OOC.
It's unlikely - she's currently going along with burying Zellara even though she'd rather sneak away and lie low and deal with that when there is not a riot going on, but if your character concept involves a strong element of "The other PCs should do what I say" bear in mind there is no IC reason for us to do so and OOC we didn't sign up for that kind of game.
There is nothing wrong with a noble plus entourage game but that isn't what this was billed as
For any other actions of consequence, I feel I've been careful to have Cassian ask the other PCs if they're willing to follow his lead and/or assist him. I've also not had him push on with any course of action over the clear objection of another PC. So no, IMO you don't have to worry about that.
Anyway, I hope this clears up how I've been perceiving Winifred and how I hope I've been playing Cassian.
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2021-03-27, 12:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: DrK Crimson Throne OOC
@Deadguy. Sorry to see you go.
@All. Sorry for the slowdown, my project is reaching some critical points in the manufacturing process so been really busy. I'll be spotty for a couple of weeks before normal service resumesThanks to Emperor Ing for the nice Avatar
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2021-03-28, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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No problem
Rescue seems out of the question, but redirecting the crowd into not killing them immediately seems possible