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2021-01-04, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
Now, I know you may be thinking, "What? No they didn't." "It's pretty clearly set up that this is some sort of teleportation/interdimensional shenanigan." "Your theory is bad and you should feel bad." "DO YOU EVEN STORY STRUCTURE, BRO?!"
But bear with me- what if they did? What would the implications of that be?
Well, from an in-universe perspective- Great News, tempered with some bad. The good- the world is saved, in the short term. No threat to the final gate, no chance of the Ritual being used to point a gun on the Gods' heads, no reason to destroy the world. So far so good.
Of course, it also means there's no longer a cleric capable of casting a ninth level divine spell with purple quiddity, so the Snarl still hangs over the world as a potential threat. And given the rifts currently loose, attention is going to be pointed at them, the Snarl, and eventually, the remaining gate.
So short term, the party needs to defend the gates, while long term, they need there to be a high level goblin cleric that's willing to cooperate with the other pantheons. Which means that the world will be saved, in the end, not by the dashing heroics of RoyGbivGreenhilt, but by the difficult, fingernail pulling process of building trust and peace between two deeply embittered peoples.
I expect OotS 2: Diplomatic Boogaloo will run for decades.
Oh, and at some point, Belkar will either die or acquire a template which grants Breathless (Su) and Despises Cake (SLA).
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2021-01-04, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
What? No they didn't. It's pretty clearly set up that this is some sort of teleportation/interdimensional shenanigan. Your theory is bad and you should feel bad. DO YOU EVEN STORY STRUCTURE, BRO?!
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2021-01-04, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-05, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
Persuasively made, as well! And I'll bet the author (whomever that may be) is possessed of a razor wit, too!!
I think it's most likely that Team Evil, lacking any Rogue component in their membership, just walked over the exact same trap they've walked over with every door they've entered, and passed through a Dimension Door or some similar gateway leading to the dungeon encounters, while Haley & the OOTS have found the secret pathway leading to Serini's Gate. And possibly to Serini herself.
I haven't been following the discussion thread, but I'm willing to bet Infinity-1 quatloos that I'm not the only one who has had this thought. Particularly since people were predicting something like it for months before this strip came out, so I'm also placing a side bet on the number of "Told you so!"s.Last edited by Darth Paul; 2021-01-05 at 06:27 AM.
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2021-01-06, 05:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-06, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
Well, if there are two corridors behind each door, the second of which can only be accessed if the trap is disarmed, and only one of the secondary corridors (which are guarded) leads to the Gate, it's clever. That's not what I'm talking about, however.
If, rather, disarming the trap behind any door leads to the one secondary corridor which leads to the Gate, now that's DUMB, period, even if the secondary corridor is guarded.
but I don't see any reason why just any rogue would do.
Now, with a similar INT score disarming the trap requires 13 ranks in Disable Device as well (assuming the rogue has a set of thieves' tools). With masterwork tools we go down to 11 ranks and with, say, Nimble Fingers the value further decreases to 9.
From this we may conclude that all it takes to find the second corridor is a lucky day for a 6-10th level rogue (NB: a 6-10th level party has absolutely no chance of surviving the dungeons of the Tomb).
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2021-01-08, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
They don't need a high level goblin cleric, they just need Durkon to level up once and convert to the dark one.
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2021-01-08, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
My most favorite crack theory that I've heard is still the one where Durkon turns Redcloak into a vampire to mentally tell him to seal the rifts.
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2021-01-09, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-01-09, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-09, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-01-09, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-01-09, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2021-01-09, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-01-09, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
We know she bought a bunch of magic stuff at the gnome city, why do you think she didn't replace that potion?
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2021-01-09, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-01-09, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-09, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
First off, he's a deity, so that modifier is likely to be high (and always gets the greatest possible roll of he's a greater deity, which he very well might be). Second, he died and was defied because he was betrayed by humans, so I'm pretty sure he'd have a pretty hefty circumstance bonus against Haley on top of that. Thirdly, his own high priest can't even chat with him, what makes you think Haley would be able to in order to even get the chance to try to bluff him?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-01-09, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crackpot Theory- All the Main Villains Just Disintegrated Themselves
Haley would be giving the bluff potion to Durkon. Durkon converts, and prays to the Dark One for spells with a +30 bluff modifier to get them. The dark one falls for the conversion, and grants him spells. No conversation with the deity required, I'm sure people become clerics of gods without talking directly to them all the time.