Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Page 11 of 11 FirstFirst ... 234567891011
Results 301 to 307 of 307
  1. - Top - End - #301
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Grey_Wolf_c's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2007

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    The fun bit? Thalidomide wasn't even something pregnant women should have been taking. Doctors were just writing prescriptions for the placebo effect on morning sickness.
    Nope. That's as accurate as saying that a certain hypertension medicine that comes in a blue diamond-shaped pill is just written for the placebo effect on the male reproductive organ. There is nothing placebo about the anti-emetic properties of thalidomide.

    As to what percentage of mothers were affected, I cannot find the number, although wikipedia suggests the effect was strongly localized to West Germany, with a full half of all cases (which might explain the difference in our perception of the event - I too have not encountered anyone affected). If I'm reading this right, in fact, it sounds like there is not probabilities involved - if taken regularly before the third trimester, it will cause birth defects or outright death of the fetus. From that, I'd say that those not affected either didn't take it regularly, or only started taking it after it no longer would affect the development of the limbs. Not every pregnancy involves morning sickness so bad you need medicine, after all.

    Grey Wolf
    Last edited by Grey_Wolf_c; 2021-02-25 at 10:01 AM.
    Interested in MitD? Join us in MitD's thread.
    There is a world of imagination
    Deep in the corners of your mind
    Where reality is an intruder
    And myth and legend thrive
    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

  2. - Top - End - #302
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Griffon

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Bristol, UK

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Nope. That's as accurate as saying that a certain hypertension medicine that comes in a blue diamond-shaped pill is just written for the placebo effect on the male reproductive organ. There is nothing placebo about the anti-emetic properties of thalidomide.

    As to what percentage of mothers were affected, I cannot find the number, although wikipedia suggests the effect was strongly localized to West Germany, with a full half of all cases (which might explain the difference in our perception of the event - I too have not encountered anyone affected). If I'm reading this right, in fact, it sounds like there is not probabilities involved - if taken regularly before the third trimester, it will cause birth defects or outright death of the fetus. From that, I'd say that those not affected either didn't take it regularly, or only started taking it after it no longer would affect the development of the limbs. Not every pregnancy involves morning sickness so bad you need medicine, after all.

    Grey Wolf
    There were a lot of cases in the UK too, though apparently Germany was worse. It wasn't whether mothers needed medicine for morning sickness, it was whether they wanted it, because it was advertised. There were probably cases in France, Holland, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc.

    It was probably a real example of that joke "a first world problem", it wasn't allowed in the USA, which was good for the USA, and it wasn't available in poorer countries because it wasn't generally exported (there may well have been some rich people in poorer countries who were affected).
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

  3. - Top - End - #303
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Griffon

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Bristol, UK

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    Quote Originally Posted by NichG View Post
    The nature of Prisoner's Dilemma is that people using purely individual logic leads to the worst outcome for everyone including them. The solution in practice is social action rather than individual action in order to change the payouts. For example, punishing people for defecting by ostracizing them or rewarding them for cooperating or helping to offset the cases where they take a risk in order to cooperate and it goes badly.

    That is to say, you can't escape the trap purely by thinking about what you and only you should do.
    In my opinion it's worse than that, there is no escape once you are in it. The time for action is when it is being set up.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

  4. - Top - End - #304
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2010

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    In my opinion it's worse than that, there is no escape once you are in it. The time for action is when it is being set up.
    Well definitely there are points of greater or lesser leverage. But if you're in it, a lot depends on the specific dilemma I think. For something like Covid, if you have a bubble of 100 people who all agree to get vaccinated if at all possible and then provide community for each other once 80% has been met then you can get the benefits of herd immunity locally even if your broader organizational group doesn't. Organizing a vaccine buddies group to hold proof-of-immunity-only parties or community events is something a motivated individual could plausibly initiate.

    But I think it'd be much harder to resolve highly distributed consequences of defection like tragedy of the commons situations unless you have some form of leverage or power at the scale of that community already in hand. And private individuals won't generally be able to get that sort of power.

  5. - Top - End - #305
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    DwarfClericGuy

    Join Date
    Jun 2007

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    We've marked 50 million inoculated for COVID - well, at least one dose - but that's still just 1/6th of the US population.

    But it does seem to be making a good impact in the areas with high vaccination rates.

    My state, with its population of around 22 million, has about 1.5 million with two doses, and 1.2 million with the first.

    So, on average, we're doing a little better than the US as a whole, but that's still a lot of potential carriers and cases.
    May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.

  6. - Top - End - #306
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Tyndmyr's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Maryland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    That's really not bad. The US is ahead of quite a few other countries in vaccination, so relatively speaking...that's solid progress.

    And that resistant pool of people effectively stacks with resistance gained from people who've had the disease, so the overall resistant population is at least somewhat higher.

    Certainly not there yet, but that should definitely be enough to make a significant dent in the transmission rate.

  7. - Top - End - #307
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    DrowGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2015

    Default Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II

    Quote Originally Posted by sihnfahl View Post
    We've marked 50 million inoculated for COVID - well, at least one dose - but that's still just 1/6th of the US population.

    But it does seem to be making a good impact in the areas with high vaccination rates.

    My state, with its population of around 22 million, has about 1.5 million with two doses, and 1.2 million with the first.

    So, on average, we're doing a little better than the US as a whole, but that's still a lot of potential carriers and cases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyndmyr View Post
    That's really not bad. The US is ahead of quite a few other countries in vaccination, so relatively speaking...that's solid progress.

    And that resistant pool of people effectively stacks with resistance gained from people who've had the disease, so the overall resistant population is at least somewhat higher.

    Certainly not there yet, but that should definitely be enough to make a significant dent in the transmission rate.
    At least my country (USA) is making some improvement in getting vaccinated. I'm very happy about it.
    It's time to get my Magikarp on!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •