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    Default USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    I have a computer with a single USB port and a soldered-in-place, too-small main storage volume.

    I plugged in a low-profile USB drive big enough to install some applications I needed, but every so often the drive "reconnects" as though I'd unplugged it for a fraction of a second. For some of the applications I installed on there, that's fine and causes no problems. But for some, it immediately, 100% reliably causes a crash even if no data was being transferred at the time.

    I've looked around, and done every troubleshooting step that is relevant on this computer. I can't try a different port, since there's just the one USB A 3.x port. I've reinstalled drivers I've checked to make sure other related OS components are up-to-date.

    The superstitious side of my brain says that maybe it's helped a little, made these faults less frequent, but it's still happening from time to time.

    Any suggestions?


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    On a related note: How does Microsoft phone technical support treat individual non-business customers using OEM Windows 10? If I call in, will it be worth my time?
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by gomipile View Post
    I have a computer with a single USB port and a soldered-in-place, too-small main storage volume.

    I plugged in a low-profile USB drive big enough to install some applications I needed, but every so often the drive "reconnects" as though I'd unplugged it for a fraction of a second. For some of the applications I installed on there, that's fine and causes no problems. But for some, it immediately, 100% reliably causes a crash even if no data was being transferred at the time.

    I've looked around, and done every troubleshooting step that is relevant on this computer. I can't try a different port, since there's just the one USB A 3.x port. I've reinstalled drivers I've checked to make sure other related OS components are up-to-date.

    The superstitious side of my brain says that maybe it's helped a little, made these faults less frequent, but it's still happening from time to time.

    Any suggestions?


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    On a related note: How does Microsoft phone technical support treat individual non-business customers using OEM Windows 10? If I call in, will it be worth my time?
    I hope this isn't the case, but sometimes USB ports are a bit too "loose". I once bought a cheap hub that would do this so all the darn time, with almost no provocation -- I suspect vibrations were enough to set it off.
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    This happens to me as well. Very infrequently, maybe once every couple of weeks or couple of months. 4 USB external backup drives connected through a non-powered hub. No correlation to activity or time that I can figure out.
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by gomipile View Post
    On a related note: How does Microsoft phone technical support treat individual non-business customers using OEM Windows 10? If I call in, will it be worth my time?
    Don't have any suggestions for the USB issue, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft tech support will immediately know you're using an OEM version of Windows and will ask you to contact the OEM in question for support.

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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by arimareiji View Post
    I hope this isn't the case, but sometimes USB ports are a bit too "loose". I once bought a cheap hub that would do this so all the darn time, with almost no provocation -- I suspect vibrations were enough to set it off.
    I just tested out the same hardware combination with a Linux liveUSB for a few hours with no problems at all. So I think the hardware itself is working well.

    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Don't have any suggestions for the USB issue, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft tech support will immediately know you're using an OEM version of Windows and will ask you to contact the OEM in question for support.
    I have a feeling my OEM will be a worse than useless waste of time to talk to. But if I have to talk to them before getting Microsoft to listen, I suppose I'll have to.
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by gomipile View Post
    I just tested out the same hardware combination with a Linux liveUSB for a few hours with no problems at all. So I think the hardware itself is working well.
    While you're most likely right here (and that is waht I'd have suggested you try), it still MIGHT be a hardware issue - namely: Power. What PSU do you have in there, and what other hardware? Since a Linux Live USB won't really (for example) spin up HDDs unless you actively USE them, and not use accelerated graphics for the Desktop, the total power draw of the Live-Linux might be quite lower than under Windows. If your PSU is shot/undersized, that _could_ be the issue. Not likely, but worth checking out. Post the specs and/or get a power useage metering program - dunno what you'd use for Windows, under Linux there's powertop.

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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    You might want to check the "USB selective suspend" option in power settings. On balanced power settings it's enabled which if I understand it right means windows might decide to shut off the usb power if it think it's not needed.
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    You might want to check the "USB selective suspend" option in power settings. On balanced power settings it's enabled which if I understand it right means windows might decide to shut off the usb power if it think it's not needed.
    Thank you. I had no idea this setting even existed. It was really buried in the nested Control Panel pages.

    Flipped it off, and no problems so far. It's been about an hour, and the longest between interruptions before was about half an hour.

    I very much appreciate your help.

    Something I'm really confused by, is that this wasn't mentioned in the official Microsoft forum threads I found on this exact topic. Why Microsoft help representatives would suggest reinstalling drivers, swapping hardware, etc. before something like this, I cannot fathom.
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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Unfortunately the "support" is usually minimum wage Indians with little to no clue other than a list of FAQs.

    Some things you have to experience yourself to realise exist.

    If it wasn't for the fact my screen tells me about USB issues (it has a hub, not got anything hooked up but still) every time it has turned itself off I wouldn't have thought of it. Then I figured, well the screen, HDDs, LAN etc etc has a powersetting, the usb probably does as well. And then dug in.

    And yes, boy is it buried deep. Frankly I was expecting you be asking how to find the setting and am not sure I could describe how even having done it myself!

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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    You might want to check the "USB selective suspend" option in power settings. On balanced power settings it's enabled which if I understand it right means windows might decide to shut off the usb power if it think it's not needed.
    I just checked and it's also enabled on High Performance, which is odd, because I've never experienced the OP's problem despite having this enabled. Mind you, it seems odd to me that an application using the USB drive would crash if the drive is temporarily removed when it's not being accessed at all!

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    Default Re: USB drive keeps reconnecting evey so often on Windows 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by gomipile View Post

    Something I'm really confused by, is that this wasn't mentioned in the official Microsoft forum threads I found on this exact topic. Why Microsoft help representatives would suggest reinstalling drivers, swapping hardware, etc. before something like this, I cannot fathom.
    It's classic "turn-off and turn-on" with addition of "it's surely not our fault" approach : )
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