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2021-11-29, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
100 days to develop is...pretty impressive. But 100 days, plus whatever length of time it takes to deploy, which is...apparently a good bit if we're talking the entire world, adds up to a big lag time. By the time the specialized vaccine is out, it'll likely have already spread worldwide, boomed and busted and we'll be on to the next variant, given history.
A variant specific vaccine for it, at that stage is...okay I guess, but not all that relevant? The flu virus model only works by predicting which strain will be common in a given year. If we developed flu shots reactively AFTER it had spread, it would...not do much to help.
I have no idea if it's possible to predict how variants will emerge for coronaviruses. That'd be one theoretical pathway, but it's not one we've really done so far. We have been distinctly behind the curve with variants, not ahead of it.
Sadly, the current almost makes the strategy of "everyone not at exceptional risk just gets covid quickly so it burns itself out before it can mutate" not awful by comparison. It's not a *good* strategy, but the variant treadmill is doing us no favors, and poses a very long term threat.
I suppose we could look at immunocompromised support. Not that this is easy, either, but it seems a repeated weakness in humanity's defenses. Anything that helps shore that up in any respect might increase the average time between variants. *shrug* This all pretty speculative looking at the broader problem, but we definitely need something.
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2021-11-30, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Part of the 'prediction' is actually seeing which flu strains are already circulating out there and trying to predict which ones, already infecting people, are going to be dominant later on in the year.
So it'd be like looking at all the strains of COVID in hospitalized people in an area, and then trying to predict which ones are going to infect more people when they spread further. In an ideal world, you'd be able to make vaccines for all; in the real world, you can only do a few.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2021-12-01, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
For flu they actually check what circulates amongst birds and pigs, as that's also an indicator about what will circulate with humans later. Of course, for COVID it's a bit tricky as they aren't completely sure which animal(s) to check.
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2021-12-01, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
So Delta has evolved into Omnicron. That sounds like a Transformer name. What it will evolve into next, Unikitty?
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2021-12-01, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
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2021-12-01, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
and they skipped the netter Nu because it sounds too much like new and Xi, as it's a common name in China.
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2021-12-01, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
I say they should start naming them after final fantasy monsters or espers after they run out of Greek letters: Ifrit, Shiva, Ramuh, Bahamut, and so on.
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2021-12-01, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Just call them CYearLetter. C22b. C27f. etc. Variants probably won't be relevant outside of a 1-2 year span, so remembering e.g. 'q is the bad one' can be updated easily.
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2021-12-09, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-10, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
When they decided to use this system, they probably didn't think it would take that long. And these names are just for in the press and such. Scientists use other variant names/numbers. Omicron for instance is called B.1.1.529 and delta is B.1.617.2, which if you know what it means is actually quite telling. Subvariants are also given a number in this system, so there are a lot more variants that are described using this system than are given letters. Only the variants of concern get letters.
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2021-12-10, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
As far as I can tell, this is the paper that developed that scheme: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0770-5
It's more detailed for phylogenetic information, but it's not really designed to be both informative and easy to talk about. It's also pinned on the original strains and only goes three branches deep (the three numbers). So if Omicron branches further, it'll become a new root letter.Last edited by NichG; 2021-12-10 at 03:15 PM.
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2021-12-13, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
I hope that even with antivaxxers out there, we can have hope that we will overcome covid and it will just be a historic plague that screwed with us but didn't defeated us.
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2021-12-16, 10:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
A good hope, but I'm pessimistic. New York (State) is currently seeing its fourth wave of COVID. Trends in Texas and Florida tend to be heading up; I expect their fourth wave to start soon.
California and Georgia seem to be relatively stable, but still non-zero.
Washington is trending down, but they recently hit a peak in September with a slow decline, so that's expected.
And now we're seeing Omicron in these states, which is possibly more infectious.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2021-12-16, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Its winter again and people are gathering more indoors. There would have been spikes in cases even without Omicron.
The key metric is hospitalizations. If those stay manageable overall case count is less relevant. If Omicron is more transmissable and less severe, it would likely be a good thing (basically a move towards this becoming a more manageable endemic disease).
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2021-12-16, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
I think from the way cases have gone through the roof here in the UK since Omicron established itself that it is more infectious. Though the fatality rate remains roughly the same (fingers crossed it remains so)
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2021-12-16, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-16, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Indeed. Almost everybody gets a cold in winter, but nobody really cares as it's just something that annoys you a few days and then it's gone. We have to get COVID to that level and nobody cares about it anymore.
And things are hopeful in that regard, as in South Africa, where the omicron variant is now dominant, the number of cases goes up, but the hospitalizations and deaths aren't. And in South Africa not a lot (I don't know the exact number) of people are vaccinated. Of course, their population is on average younger than in Europe and the US and that's a very important factor, but still.Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett
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2021-12-17, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
It's not relevant to winter; if it was, we'd not have seen the spikes we did in July and August; Florida saw a rolling 7 day average in the 20k new cases per day, with a spike to almost 30k (which was the highest spike since the pandemic started). It's following a predictable cycle.
COVID plays a bit different from the flu. It reaches a threshold, stops being able to transmit, then we see a low level of cases for a while before it starts picking up again from declining immunity, a new variant that's not as impacted by the vaccines...
The key metric is hospitalizations. If those stay manageable overall case count is less relevant. If Omicron is more transmissable and less severe, it would likely be a good thing (basically a move towards this becoming a more manageable endemic disease).
It also doesn't take into account that there may be a variant after Omicron that combines Omicron's transmissibility with, say, B117's severity.
The more people infected means the more chances for mutations.Last edited by sihnfahl; 2021-12-17 at 08:30 AM.
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2021-12-17, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Im not saying thats the only reason for spikes, but it certainly is A reason for it. Looking at the trend here in Quebec we had spikes last year in the fall (school opening) and around December (cold weather plus indoor gatherings for holidays). We see the same pattern this year. Omicron is a tiny percentage of the cases here in Quebec so far so it is not driving the current surge.
I'm going to disagree there. Hospitalizations reflect how harmful that particular strain of COVID is. Initial overall case count is relevant because it gives people a heads-up to plan in case the hospitalization rate is higher than expected when the true spikes hit.
The more people infected means the more chances for mutations.Last edited by Chen; 2021-12-17 at 08:51 AM.
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2021-12-17, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-18, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
But not an overall COVID case issue.
They were still seeing over 10k+ new cases a day, on average, starting in late June, throughout July and August, declining in September.
The current wave is running 20k+ new cases a day on average and is still increasing - higher case average than ANY previous wave.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2021-12-19, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
I'm going to take the COVID booster shot on December 28 Tuesday.
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2021-12-19, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-19, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-22, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Allahpundit at hotair has been collecting a number of links discussing the latest findings vis-a-vis the Omicron variant.
So Omicron is turning out to be many times more contagious than delta but is so far proving much less deadly. The reason for this is because it multiplies far more efficiently in the bronchus (where high viral loads are observed) but has far, far more difficulty spreading to the lungs, which is what sends people to the ER.
There is some question as to whether the disease is inherently more mild or if its because the human population is just tougher now. Between vaccines and natural immunity, it's not a "novel' virus any more.
The question is also somewhat academic; there simply aren't that many people out there who have neither been vaccinated nor caught the disease. In the US , vaccination rates are high. In South Africa, where the rate is 6%, there is still a high degree of natural immunity from exposure to the disease. People who have been vaxxed or caught the disease act as a barrier or firewall for the increasingly shrinking pool of people who still haven't had any encounter. And I frankly have to wonder if that pool is smaller than we think it is; it's possible there have been a much larger number of asymptomatic cases, especially of Omicron, than has been reported.
Still a good idea to get vaxxed and boosted, especially if you're over 50 and have underlying medical conditions. While the news so far is good, that doesn't mean we can treat our guard down and treat it as if it's a nothingburger. Prudence is the order of the day.
Also, Merck and Pfizer's antivirals are being approved .
So, no, we didn't kill it this year. But we haven't by any means been defeated. It's just taking longer to get back to "normal" -- or, at least , a new normal -- than anticipated.
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2021-12-22, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
At least this year was an improvement.
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2021-12-22, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Mmm. On getting people vaccinated, maybe.
We add another 1 million deaths, worldwide, every 4 months or so. That's been relatively unabated.
And that's IF you can trust the numbers out of countries who are doing their most to hide the true impact of COVID for their own, varied reasons.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2021-12-22, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Theres also the confounding factor that the age of people getting infected isnt uniform. Particularly young kids who cant be vaccinated but even unvaccinated have very low hospitalization rates. I dont think we have sufficient data to conclude on the severity of Omicron, but preliminary data is somewhat hopeful.
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2021-12-22, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This year we kill it: Corona Virus Thread Mark II
Based on the sharper up/down profile in South Africa... It'd be sort of funny if Omicron ends up with COVID driving itself extinct because it spreads so fast that there isn't time for waning immunity to factor in.