Savage Tides, Take 3, Out of Character Thread

[DarkOne-Rob]

I'm on board with basically all of these, though I will request an official DM response on potions of remove fear. My understanding is that by RAW you're unable to drink it if you need it, and would rely on someone else pinning you down to force feed it to you. I've always found that to be horribly unhelpful, if perhaps believable.

That is the understanding I've always had, regarding such a theoretical potion and being frightened enough to force them to flee. Lesser degrees of fear (like shaken) could be removed, but only if the character is able to control themselves enough for something like regular actions.

[farothel]

That is the understanding I've always had, regarding such a theoretical potion and being frightened enough to force them to flee. Lesser degrees of fear (like shaken) could be removed, but only if the character is able to control themselves enough for something like regular actions.

Remove fear has a 10 minute duration and you can take it prophylactic.

You instill courage in the subject, granting it a +4 morale bonus against fear effects for 10 minutes. If the subject is under the influence of a fear effect when receiving the spell, that effect is suppressed for the duration of the spell.

So we can take it right before we go in and have the +4 bonus. Everybody who can cast the spell can keep one or two scrolls for the second effect (note that I was the one running last time).

[DarkOne-Rob]

Remove fear has a 10 minute duration...

You instill courage in the subject, granting it a +4 morale bonus against fear effects for 10 minutes...

I am with you on this...

...and you can take it prophylactic...If the subject is under the influence of a fear effect when receiving the spell, that effect is suppressed for the duration of the spell.

If, by "prophylactic" you mean that they will have any Fear effects suppressed automatically, I'm going to say that you need to show me some references saying that is true. If you mean that the +4 bonus will help prevent the need for the suppression, than I agree. Do we disagree here? If so, what references do you have supporting your position?

[farothel]

If, by "prophylactic" you mean that they will have any Fear effects suppressed automatically, I'm going to say that you need to show me some references saying that is true. If you mean that the +4 bonus will help prevent the need for the suppression, than I agree. Do we disagree here? If so, what references do you have supporting your position?

No, I agree that taking the potion up front only gives the +4 bonus and not the suppression, but that's something we can use to prevent getting fear.

[DrK]

So if we did 4 potions (1 per preson) to take ahead of time = 200gp
2 scrolls (Tillandi and Akula can cast scrolls) = 50gp
Glitter dust x 2 = 300gp

Thats not a massive investment out of our 4000gp

[RCgothic]

Cordelia is a sorcerer. She can also cast from scrolls.

Edit: but not remove fear, which isn't on the sorcerer list, obviously (nor the druid one). Sorry, clearly not awake yet!

Edit edit: but she can cast glitterdust from a scroll. Argh, mornings. I'm usually sharper than this.

[farothel]

So if we did 4 potions (1 per preson) to take ahead of time = 200gp
2 scrolls (Tillandi and Akula can cast scrolls) = 50gp
Glitter dust x 2 = 300gp

Thats not a massive investment out of our 4000gp

I would also invest in a wand of cure light wounds for 750gp. 50 cure light wound spells would be quite useful to have around there are two people who can use it.

[DarkOne-Rob]

All of those items can be found in Sasserine with the only risk being time spent. There are plenty of churches in town (at least one significant faith representing each of the seven districts -

1. Azure District - Osprem/Procan/Xerbo (three deities, the "Azure Cathedral")
2. Champion's District - Kord
3. Cudgel District - St. Cuthbert
4. Merchant's District - Fharlanghn
5. Shadowshore - Olidammara
6. Sunrise District - Pelor
7. Noble District - Wee Jas

There is plenty of room for roleplaying, if desired, or you can go the simpler route and just make the purchases. I enjoy both the off-topic RP and the exciting combat encounters, so no pressure from me either way. Paizo (who produced this AP as part of the Dungeon and Dragon magazines) put a ton of material together for the city of Sasserine, so don't hesitate if you want to explore some in-character.

[farothel]

I can also see if I can get the scrolls, potions and wand that I can cast from my own temple. Maybe at a discount (hint, hint ).

[DrK]

I would also invest in a wand of cure light wounds for 750gp. 50 cure light wound spells would be quite useful to have around there are two people who can use it.

I would absolutely agree with that statement!

[Farmerbink]

Cordelia is a sorcerer. She can also cast from scrolls.

Edit: but not remove fear, which isn't on the sorcerer list, obviously (nor the druid one). Sorry, clearly not awake yet!

Edit edit: but she can cast glitterdust from a scroll. Argh, mornings. I'm usually sharper than this.

**Not without using UMD to do it**

All of us have a decent possibility to use a scroll, assuming UMD ranks

Thats not a massive investment out of our 4000gp

I fully agree. Even adding as many as two wands would be worthwhile by my reconning. A substantial investment, but worthwhile.

[DrK]

Well 2 wands of CLW and the above mentioned scrolls and potions is 2050gp so still about 480gp each in other discretionary spending.
Can we just assume we hit up the Temple of Procan for the divine stuff and then one of the mage guilds for the arcane scrolls?

EDIT:
Out of my 480gp could I please pick up an "oil of bless weapon" =50gp

[farothel]

So if we did 4 potions (1 per preson) to take ahead of time = 200gp
2 scrolls (Tillandi and Akula can cast scrolls) = 50gp
Glitter dust x 2 = 300gp
1 wands of CLW (Tillandi and Akula): 750

leaves indeed about 480gp per person for own purchases. I would indeed suggest we buy the stuff above before we divide the rest. I don't think I'm going to buy anything more at the moment, but saving up for some extra stuff later.

EDIT: removing 1 wand leaves 675gp per person.

EDIT2: I also got a cold iron heavy mace. I guess that's not really a big issue.

[Farmerbink]

Had to math. Stealth for surprising the quasit? (1d20+17)[30]

Also, perception with detect magic active: (1d20+17)[25]

[DrK]

Akula's surpirise round (when Firi'Sar glitterdusts) would just be moving into the room
Then initiative (1d20+4)[9] to see where he is for round 1

[RCgothic]

Initiative (1d20+6)[15]

[farothel]

Tillandi initiative: (1d20+1)[5]

EDIT: I'm after the evil dude.

[DrK]

Tillandi initiative: [roll0]

EDIT: I'm after the evil dude.

I'm in that same club

[Farmerbink]

(1d20+10)[29] init tiiiieeem

[farothel]

Fri´sar doesn´t need to drink his potion now as Akula has cast the spell on everybody if I recall.

[DrK]

Fri´sar doesn´t need to drink his potion now as Akula has cast the spell on everybody if I recall.

Yes you are correct

[Farmerbink]

Yes you are correct

Oh! I had forgotten but :thumbs up:

[RCgothic]

Will save DC11: (1d20+10)[24] (6 base+4 remove fear)

[DrK]

Will save vs DC11 fear (1d20+10)[17]
Will save vs DC13 shatter (1d20+6)[8]

Edit: That remove fear was handy here but sadly my poor harpoon has shattered

[RCgothic]

Cordelia fortitude (1d20+4)[15]
Kitten fortitude (1d20+4)[15]

Kitten AoO if allowed it (1d20+10)[29] trip (1d20+10)[25] incapable of causing damage.

[Farmerbink]

Didn't anticipate an aoo:

(1d20+9)[24] cold iron rapier:
(1d20+9)[21] CC (27+, x2)
(1d4+5)[7] damage
(1d4+5)[6] CC

Seems I need a fort save? Prepared once again to use inspiration:
(1d20+4)[18] + (1d6)[1] (if modified is 10-12)

[RCgothic]

Cordelia Will (1d20+6)[24]
Kitten Will (1d20+2)[14]

[farothel]

Let's see if I can open that spoiler: (1d20+7)[20] spellcraft

EDIT: apparently not.

[DrK]

Fort DC 14 (1d20+5)[14]
Will DC 12 (1d20+6)[17]

[farothel]

potential crit on my trident:
(1d20+6)[16] for extra damage: (1d8+2)[9]

I hope that's a hit, but probably not. It would be nice though.