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2021-03-19, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hela's movie powers are a pastiche of other sources - most notably a fairly recent Thor villain named Gorr the God-Butcher, who can pull weapons out of thin air that are particularly lethal to gods (Asgardians in this case.) The creators (specifically Brad Winterbaum) have gone on-record that he was a direct inspiration for movie Hela. They did this because her standard comic powerset of random spells and death touch and necromancy etc was a bit too broad and vague for what they wanted to be a more focused conflict. See below for more:
And I disagree, so let's leave it at that where the Darkhold is concerned.
This is only the case when she is "Geraldine." When she re-enters, she does so as her own distinct POV. We know this for sure because of the Captain Marvel voiceovers they replay while she is getting her powers, none of which Wanda could have possibly known. This is clearly Monica's POV.
False. Jimmy is instrumental for bringing enforcement agencies that Hayward doesn't control, which ends the SWORD/military assault. Darcy is instrumental for giving Mindstone-Vision the crucial information about the outside and his own memories that he needs to ultimately defeat WhiteVision and save Wanda; more directly, she is also the reason Hayward isn't able to flee the scene and escape justice. And finally, Monica keeps Agatha's Fietro Dragon from intervening, as well as her powers being established here setting up both what she can do and her presence in Captain Marvel 2, saving valuable screentime. It's all connected, all necessary, and all "basic writing stuff."
Why did Nick Fury think the world needed a team of superheroes back in Iron Man 1? Why did Thanos want the stones back in Avengers 1? Those questions were left open until future movies too (Captain Marvel and Infinity War respectively), and I didn't see you or anyone else complaining then. Certainly not enough people to matter.
It's enough to know that she thinks letting Wanda keep it is dangerous (and, based on what we saw, might even be correct to think that.) She doesn't actually need to have a stated plan for that power herself in this series beyond believing she is better suited to safeguard it, though they've left the possibility open that she might have had something more specific in mind. If you want no possibilities left open and everything spoonfed to you right away, this might not be the franchise for you.
A probability hex is explicitly how she keeps the Stark bomb from exploding. Unless you don't think episode 8 took place in the MCU.
I genuinely don't know how else to interpret your dissatisfaction with the Darkhold than you wanting the entire magic system handed to you on a platter." Certainly "we need more" is far too vague to engage with seriously.
Then be let down. All I can say is I'm not.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-03-19, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why? Experience is experience, not ever experiences "matters" and some experiences are significant and pleasurable even if they do not have a cycle of meaning, investment, and enchantment instilled with them.
How many news stories will you forget in a lifetime, how many sitcoms, reality tv, etc?
The story stands on its own even if you look at it closely it may not satisfy, but that is an aesthetic preference where something may satisfy one person but not another?Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2021-03-19, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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That was magic, but not Loki's magic. The crown and the eternal flame did all the resurrecting. Loki just tossed one in the other. I had always hoped we'd get more Aesgardians as...well...specially empowered individuals with specific spheres of influence/ability that could be construed as...you know...Gods. Guess that can only be in flashbacks/time jumps/early stories now.
I think Monica is very important - she is our vehicle for discovery - but she didn't really do anything related to Fietro, did she? He wasn't even a mook, it seemed, at that point. Jimmy, like you said, is an important conduit to outside forces. Plot-important.
Darcy stopped Hayward because...well, everyone else let her. That was fanservice, and could have been handled narratively a dozen other ways...and I hate the character so there may be a little bias there.
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2021-03-19, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-19, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah just having Agatha declare Wanda to be the Evil Chosen One was kind of cheesy and stupid.
IIRC Agatha said it was a ‘probability hex.’
She took the necklace off him and found out the ‘Ralph Bohner’ real name.
One of the reviews I read said they couldn’t get her back for reshoots due to COVID. Admittedly this doesn’t give her more narrative use or importance.
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2021-03-19, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-19, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-25, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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WandaVision was so much fun! The ending was a bit of a let down for me, I was expecting them to go a bit bigger/splashier with the ending. Still, it was a solid show and a great first outing by Marvel.
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2021-03-26, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Captain Marvel voiceovers are absolutely not important to this narrative. Her POV provides almost no unique part of it.
False. Jimmy is instrumental for bringing enforcement agencies that Hayward doesn't control, which ends the SWORD/military assault. Darcy is instrumental for giving Mindstone-Vision the crucial information about the outside and his own memories that he needs to ultimately defeat WhiteVision and save Wanda; more directly, she is also the reason Hayward isn't able to flee the scene and escape justice. And finally, Monica keeps Agatha's Fietro Dragon from intervening, as well as her powers being established here setting up both what she can do and her presence in Captain Marvel 2, saving valuable screentime. It's all connected, all necessary, and all "basic writing stuff."
And the stopping of Pietro was...pretty much an afterthought. Neither that nor confronting Harward were confrontations of note. They pretty much just won for...reasons. Both of the enemies just grabbed the idiot ball with both hands. Coulda been cooler fights.
Why did Nick Fury think the world needed a team of superheroes back in Iron Man 1? Why did Thanos want the stones back in Avengers 1? Those questions were left open until future movies too (Captain Marvel and Infinity War respectively), and I didn't see you or anyone else complaining then. Certainly not enough people to matter.
Those examples are both fine.
It's enough to know that she thinks letting Wanda keep it is dangerous (and, based on what we saw, might even be correct to think that.) She doesn't actually need to have a stated plan for that power herself in this series beyond believing she is better suited to safeguard it, though they've left the possibility open that she might have had something more specific in mind. If you want no possibilities left open and everything spoonfed to you right away, this might not be the franchise for you.
A probability hex is explicitly how she keeps the Stark bomb from exploding. Unless you don't think episode 8 took place in the MCU.
I genuinely don't know how else to interpret your dissatisfaction with the Darkhold than you wanting the entire magic system handed to you on a platter." Certainly "we need more" is far too vague to engage with seriously.
Sure, tons of things in life are not terribly great.
And they totally deserve criticism for being so. People criticize things like reality TV. The implied subtext is that a story should have these things in order to be good. Stories are made with all sorts of quality, and there's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying even a bad story, but criticism on that quality remains far.
Wandavision overall isn't bad. It just had kind of a lackluster ending in some respects, and some of us are poking at why.Last edited by Tyndmyr; 2021-03-26 at 10:26 AM.
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2021-03-26, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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They absolutely are, because it's an interaction Wanda couldn't have possibly known about, anchoring that scene in Monica's perspective. It's also a meaningful callback in its own right, signifying Monica's "graduation" from the regular human side of the MCU to its metahuman side - exactly the boundary Nick Fury drew for her as a child when keeping her out of danger then. This ties directly into the final scene when she gets recruited.
Developing additional characters who will be in future properties is valuable.
Not in that movie. And "significant screentime" is obviously different between a 90-minute movie and a 7-8 hour tv series, or it should be obvious anyway.
Complexity doesn't need to be frontloaded.
Her explicit statement is not "one way to interpret that." It's fact.
I don't think your concerns are trivia, but I do think they are unreasonable. Needing every detail of the magic system spoonfed and spelled out ahead of time is not reasonable. Needing the villain to bring the episode to a screeching halt so they can monologue at length on their plans for Wanda's power is also unreasonable. Wanting unreasonable things makes your objections hard to take seriously.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-03-26, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not to this story.
The value of development for some other, yet to be made story is inherently nil at present. It might be paid off and be cool in the future. Probably not, though. The MCU is extremely careful to set up characters in the movie they are in without requiring a ton of previous watching. This is smart on their part.
But it also means it cannot actually save future screen time.
Complexity doesn't need to be frontloaded.
That's why foreshadowing exists. If you explain how something works early, and that's used at the climax to defeat the villain(or any other important purpose), cool. If you don't bother to explain it at all, or stop the fight scene to explain how it works, you've mucked up your foreshadowing.
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2021-03-26, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes to this story. You're asking why they didn't consolidate the roles of these side-characters into one person. I already laid out for you the very different impacts Darcy, Jimmy, and Monica had on this narrative - with just one character you're asking that person to have the connection to outside law enforcement, to meeting Mindstone-Vision to give him crucial information inside the Hex, to meeting Wanda and giving her crucial information inside the Hex, being endangered by Hayward on the outside of the Hex and capable of being involved in the battles on the inside. It's nonsensical, and entirely unnecessary when simply having more than one person accomplishes the same objective, while also adding value to future stories.
They are using foreshadowing. What exactly do you think "It's your destiny to destroy the world" is supposed to be? Flavor text?Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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