Bladesinger vs. Eldritch Knight: what's in a Gish?

[5eNeedsDarksun]

This no longer works.

I just watched a vid on bladesinger update from Treantmonk that explicitly said it did post Tasha's.

[Xetheral]

This no longer works.

Crawford has confirmed that it still works.

[Valmark]

This no longer works.

Crawford has confirmed that it still works.

Why wouldn't it work anyway? I'm not seeing something that stops Booming Blade from working with Warcaster.

[Kane0]

For the real 50/50 gish experience i’ve always preferred hacking Paladin into whatever shape suits. Swap spell lists and casting stat, change some of the diviney features for arcaney ones, change around the smite damage/creature types and thats pretty much it.

Otherwise i would probably be looking at War Wizard rather than bladesinger when MCing EK

Edit: or just go artificer i guess

[Tanarii]

I just watched a vid on bladesinger update from Treantmonk that explicitly said it did post Tasha's.

That's not a trustworthy source for whether or not something works.

Crawford has confirmed that it still works.

Slightly more trustworthy.

[Unoriginal]

That's not a trustworthy source for whether or not something works.


Slightly more trustworthy.

Have to agree.

[Xetheral]

Why wouldn't it work anyway? I'm not seeing something that stops Booming Blade from working with Warcaster.

The range was errataed from 5' to Self (5' radius). Some people originally interpreted that to mean that Booming Blade now targets the caster, but Crawford has clarified that the spell still targets the target of the attack. The new range entry instead indicates that the effect originates in the caster's space ala Cone of Cold, and matters mostly for limiting how the spell interacts with Reach weapons and Extend Spell.

[Valmark]

The range was errataed from 5' to Self (5' radius). Some people originally interpreted that to mean that Booming Blade now targets the caster, but Crawford has clarified that the spell still targets the target of the attack. The new range entry instead indicates that the effect originates in the caster's space ala Cone of Cold, and matters mostly for limiting how the spell interacts with Reach weapons and Extend Spell.

Oh, I see how it could have been interpreted the other way yeah.

[5eNeedsDarksun]

That's not a trustworthy source for whether or not something works.


Slightly more trustworthy.

Cited Crawford with video. Should have mentioned that.

[DarknessEternal]

Oh, I see how it could have been interpreted the other way yeah.

You mean the only way? Unless errata is issued, there's no other way to read it. It targets self, Warcaster can't make it's pseudo-AOO with a target of Self.

Goofball can make whatever video he wants, but until there's errata there's only RAW.

[Valmark]

You mean the only way? Unless errata is issued, there's no other way to read it. It targets self, Warcaster can't make it's pseudo-AOO with a target of Self.

Goofball can make whatever video he wants, but until there's errata there's only RAW.

That would be true if it had a range of "Self", but it has a range of "Self (5 feet)" which brings it in line with stuff like Cone of Cold where the Self half indicates the point of origin and the point of origin is not included in the effect.

While you're free to rule it the other way, Self alone doesn't forbid it.

[Witty Username]

You mean the only way? Unless errata is issued, there's no other way to read it. It targets self, Warcaster can't make it's pseudo-AOO with a target of Self.

Goofball can make whatever video he wants, but until there's errata there's only RAW.

A note about D&D spells with a range of "Self (XYZ)": the parenthetical—which says "5-foot radius," "15-foot cone," or something else—means you are the spell's point of origin, but you aren't necessarily its target. You're creating an effect that originates in your space. #DnD This is supported by the text under Range in the Spell casting chapter of the PHB.
Fun fact the rule changes in fact mean you can use green-flame blade with warcaster, as warcaster works with spells that have the option of targeting only one creature.